Israeli soldier sentenced for manslaughter

[lada]

Originally posted by MJHerman

Basically, if you think that countries can do better that the Israeli justice system, then the same must be said for the justice system of every liberal democracy.  So does that mean that you would prefer the Iranian legal system to the US, Canadian or UK legal system as well?

First of all im talking about criminal Law, as i said before.
No i would not prefer iranian criminal Law to any other country.

Criminal law as any other law must be made on "local" priciples. if it doesnt raise from local principles, it will not be efficience.

I will try to find all anwears on your question and post links if there will be any.

regarding terms manslaughter and murder.

Do you trying to say, that he killed him acidentaly ?

[MJHerman]

Originally posted by lada
First of all im talking about criminal Law, as i said before.
No i would not prefer iranian criminal Law to any other country.

Criminal law as any other law must be made on "local" priciples. if it doesnt raise from local principles, it will not be efficience.

I will try to find all anwears on your question and post links if there will be any.

regarding terms manslaughter and murder.

Do you trying to say, that he killed him acidentaly ?

Manslaughter is defined as "the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought".  In other words, it is not premeditated.  So, not accidental per se, but at the same time there was no intention to kill.  Reckless disregard for another person's life would be the best way to sum up manslaughter.

Murder is where there is a prior intention to kill.

[lada]

ok got it
if i see it correctly, its manslaughter untill they prove that soldier were ill or racist for example. right ?


you first question.
yes, confirmed by iranian, whitch is not lawyer, cant find any link regarding this

ad 2).
In all cases Yes, but these two
"protections against forced/unreliable confessions, a right to a speedy hearing before an impartial tribunal"
dont know, can find any info, how is it achieved

ad 3).
Yes, check link below


ad 4). for murder there is death penality  
for accidents (car accidents for example) im not sure, its somehow connect to will of family of death person.. realy not sure about this one. Typicaly it could b somethink like 10 years.
will try to ask this one.


Here is few links if you wanna study more about their system,
quite interesting is family Law


http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/iran.htm




this is one more link about law, but regarding family law http://www.law.emory.edu/IFL/legal/iran.htm


http://news.findlaw.com/international/s/20040415/iraqirankillingdc.html

[lada]

Originally posted by MJHerman

2.  a right to a speedy hearing before an impartial tribunal

This is not even available in Eu if im not wrong.

Hey guys is it available in your countries ?

[bozon]

As far as I under stand he was trialed under military law by the military. This is not exacly the same as the civilian law system.

The sentence IS rediculously light. Had he been trialed by the civilian court, this would have been greatly more severe.

How many Iraqi or Afgan civilians had been killed by the coalition? How many US soldiers were convicted of manslaughter? British?
Polish?
Spaniards?
anyone else?

Bozon

[ravells]

Originally posted by lada
This is not even available in Eu if im not wrong.

Hey guys is it available in your countries ?

You are wrong (at least in theory) check out the Human Rights Convention.

Ravs

[ravells]

Originally posted by bozon
As far as I under stand he was trialed under military law by the military. This is not exacly the same as the civilian law system.

The sentence IS rediculously light. Had he been trialed by the civilian court, this would have been greatly more severe.

How many Iraqi or Afgan civilians had been killed by the coalition? How many US soldiers were convicted of manslaughter? British?
Polish?
Spaniards?
anyone else?

Bozon

Not quite Bozon...have a look at this

[lada]

Originally posted by ravells
You are wrong (at least in theory) check out the Human Rights Convention.

Ravs

human rights convention is plain paper for children

things whitch matter are constitution and Law.

HRC is something what should Law and constitution respect.

[ravells]

Where are you from, lada?

The human rights convention has developing case law in a very big way.

Ravs

[lada]

central europe, Czech

you can do what ever you wanna do, but you belongs to constitution and law here....
bad law can be overhanded by constitution
constitution can not be overhanded by anything else here.

whats odd about that ?


ahh i almost forget... since this month there is may be some Eu constitution above, but its not done yet.

if your words were correct sutch thing like EU const. would not be nessecery


HRC can be used here only for foreigners, while they apply for political azil

[ravells]

So...tell me. Which parts of the HRC don't agree with your constitution?

Ravs

[Otto]

Iran's Justice System is truly advanced.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2430139.stm

[ravells]

Although strangely enough, a long time ago, Muslims practised relative freedom of religion whilst Christians were burning people at the stake.

Come the time that muslims can untangle religion from politics the world will be a safer place.

ravs

[Staga]

Originally posted by lazs2
was kidding... don't believe staga hates anyone.

lazs

errr yes I do...  ex-boss, ex-gf, one of my uncles and couple aunts, neighbour's dog...

oh and I loathe idiots and basically everyone who thinks he's better than someone else because of his skin colour, religion or ethnic background. We're all scumbags; some of us are just in denial.

[Holden McGroin]

Wisdom has several forms....

Originally posted by Staga
We're all scumbags; some of us are just in denial.

"I have no color prejudices nor caste prejudices nor creed prejudices. All I care to know is that a man is a human being, and that is enough for me; he can't be any worse."
--Mark Twain