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Offline Sikboy

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2004, 09:44:13 AM »
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 On the contrary, while a bit poorer in ballistics, the MG151/20 mounted on the F-4 really shows a difference - the HE rounds are much more efficient in overall effect compared to the 15mm AP rounds.


Yeah, I can totally understand and agree with this (which is why most US fighters has 6 .50s, instead of 2-4).  However, I was under the impression that the MG151/15 fired HE rounds, which while not as explosive as the 20mm version, still packed a chemical charge offering a greater effect than a single 12.7 AP round.

With this in mind, given the muzzle velocity and ROF, the 151/15 sure looked like it could reach out and touch someone much better than the 151/20 which was a slower and heavery round.

For taking out bombers, where they are large targets that were not maneuvering, I'll take a 20-30mm cannon every time (actually, I'll take the NS-37 but that's just me :D ), but for engaging fighters, imagining a 15mm HE shell with that ROF and MV is pretty tantilizing. However, if it didn't see widespread service in a 3-4 gun configureation then there's really no point in my getting all coozy about it lol.

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2004, 03:09:57 PM »
Yes those must be MG-FFs. No way could they fit MG151s in the wing without having some major bulges. They could barely shoehorn the little MG-FF in the 109's thin wing.

... still, I'd take a couple of MG-FFs in the 109F if I could. By that time they had Minengeschoss ammo. :D
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2004, 03:12:11 PM »
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However, I was under the impression that the MG151/15 fired HE rounds, which while not as explosive as the 20mm version, still packed a chemical charge offering a greater effect than a single 12.7 AP round.


Yes the MG151/15 could fire both AP and HE rounds. The data I posted is for the HE round.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2004, 02:10:08 PM »
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Yes the MG151/15 could fire both AP and HE rounds. The data I posted is for the HE round.


Now see, that's what I'm talking about :)

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2004, 04:17:51 PM »
Yes, the Germans were Nazis in WW2.

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2004, 05:13:02 PM »
Germans were Nazis back then ... you're a moron now ... what else is new?
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