Apparently Kerry is threatening to sue...

[ravells]

Grunz....were you an american citizen when the vietnam war was being fought?

Lyndon Johnson, was dragged kicking and screaming into war in Vietnam and there are many doubts over whether the domino theory was actually at work there.

As much as I admire the Americans for getting involved in that conflict, I think it was a terrible mistake.

And you can talk about 'a good fight' but it wasn't exactly a game of tennis for the soldiers and civilians involved.

Ravs

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Vietnam was a good fight and well worth fighting to try to stop the spread of communism. Unfortunately it was lost on the home front due to domestic politics and in no small measure due to lying pro-communist traitors like John Kerry and his leftist friends....

Yeah, it had nothing to do with the way the war was being waged, with loss of soldiers being taken with a grain of salt. Take a look at how many we lost in that war and if it was worth it. We lost, but communism never took over the world. If one good thing did come out of it, it was that the public pays close attention to casualties and the military does not take the "hamburger hill" approach anymore. We will bomb that hill til it is a crater before we send in waves of soldiers.

[GRUNHERZ]

The domestic politics I refer to relate to bad decisions made by Johnson which did contribute to unncesary casualties.

[ravells]

it's easy to judge after the fact, Grunz.

But which decisions did you have in mind?

Ravs

[BUG_EAF322]

U guys just have a problem
Choose a or b.


only two choices conservative and less conservative
called left and right and nothin in the middle.

With 2 choices u can only choose for the best of the worst or worst from the best.

oh lol

i pitty u americans

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by ravells
it's easy to judge after the fact, Grunz.

But which decisions did you have in mind?

Ravs

His waffling war on/off ways, the gradual approach and his micromanagement of the war in general.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
U guys just have a problem
Choose a or b.


only two choices conservative and less conservative
called left and right and nothin in the middle.

With 2 choices u can only choose for the best of the worst or worst from the best.

oh lol

i pitty u americans

How many poliotical parties have held the top power in your country over the past 20 years?

[ravells]

let me come back to you on that one, Grunz.

I must to bed.

night! Nice chatting as usual.

ravs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by ravells
Lyndon Johnson, was dragged kicking and screaming into war in Vietnam...

By whom?  It was LBJ who asked congress for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and then it was his decision to build to a force of a half a million troops in RVN.

[strk]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
John Kerry wrote "The New Soldier" in the early 70's. Kerry is apparently threatening the publisher with lawsuits if they ever reprint the book.

[/i]

I dont mean to interrupt your hate fest, but as this is the first I have heard of this issue, would you mind providing a link?  Or did Rush tell you?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by GScholz
Heeeeey, you forgot the GScholz disclaimer! Shame on you.

EDIT:  Sorry I forgot my GScholz disclaimer.....THE FOLLOWING TWO PHOTOS ARE BOTH OBVIOUS PHOTOSHOPS.  IF YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU THIS YOU NEED TO START YOUR OWN THINK TANK FOR THE MENTALLY CRUTCHED.

yet another BIG surprise here from flip-flop.

"remember....I wrote the book befor i disagreed with the book"





EDIT:  Sorry I forgot my GScholz disclaimer.....THE PREVIOUS TWO PHOTOS ARE BOTH OBVIOUS PHOTOSHOPS.  IF YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU THIS YOU NEED TO START YOUR OWN THINK TANK FOR THE MENTALLY CRUTCHED.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by strk
I dont mean to interrupt your hate fest, but as this is the first I have heard of this issue, would you mind providing a link?  Or did Rush tell you?

Ah, the need to discredit the source, eh? No worries, however its "MENS news daily, I doubt you'll understand it... here you are:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/erickson/2004/erickson012604.htm

Incidently, questioning a presidential candidate isn't a hate fest, I leave that up to the BOOSH haters like you.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
By whom?  It was LBJ who asked congress for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and then it was his decision to build to a force of a half a million troops in RVN.

By who? Why, PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS! Oh yeah, that was a majority Democrats, as well as the senate.

[Gunslinger]

I couldnt let this one slip by (see above disclaimor)

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by lada
im wondering a bit about Vietnamies veterans...

People still speak about them as Heros...

From historical point of view, they were nothing but people whitch caused big shame under US flag.

Or do you consider vietnam to be great won in history ?

All around world people mostly present war in Vietnam as lose and shame of US. Some how some people still belive in something else.

What else is it in your opinion, if you dis agree it were nothing but shame ?

Lada, a lot of people (myself included) separate the soldiers themselves from the policies of the government that issues their orders.  The soldiers (of course with a few exceptions) are heroes for doing their duty when called.  It is the government's policies, and the orders that resulted from them, that "caused big shame," as you put it.  

Vietnam was not a military victory for the US.  Far from it.  The images of the US embassy in '75 Saigon are some of the most gut-wrenching things that I've ever watched.  The videos of Hueys getting shoved off of carriers to make more room give me the shivers.  I think many Americans would agree with me.  

But Vietnam may have been a political victory -- one that kept North Korea, the USSR, China, and other communist countries from thinking that they'd get an easy victory anywhere.  Of course, that's up for debate, but that's how I see it.  

Was it worth it?  I dunno.