Originally posted by Chairboy
Grun, are you sure? If you read this analysis of the admonition that women should not speak in church, it dissects the original greek and differentiates between laleo and lego, then shows that the intent of the phrase is that the apostle is forbidding women to speak at all in a church. The crisp definition of the text is that it is 'indecent'. (source: http://www.apuritansmind.com/Pastoral/WarfieldBBWomenSpeaking.htm)
Regarding submission to husbands, it is less objectionable, but the translation clearly suggests that the wife should submit to the husband in deference to his assumed leadership, much as the man submits too the church. This also covers the first quote. (source: http://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html)
Yep, I'm sure.
Paul explicitly says that women have the right to pray:
1 Coritntians 11:4
Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head.
1 Coritntians 11:5
But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head.
Note the identical construction, these passages deal with how one should DRESS in church. He clearly says that both men and women have the right to pray.
Next:
"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10"
The sign of aurthority is a womans sign of her own authority, not of submission. Her veil, her covering is a sign of her long hair. And we see in 1 Corinthians 11:15 that her long hair was given to her by god.
Then of course we have:
1 Corinthians 11: 11, 12
Woman is not indepoendant of man or man of woman in the Lord. For just as woman came from man, so 0man is born from woman, but all things are from God.
So no, Paul does not think women are inferiour.
As for 1 Cor 14: 34, 35
Paul is likely quoting his opponents, male conservative jewish christians, in the corintian church. He is quoting their statemts and then counbering with his arguments.
Go to your bible and check:
1 Cor 14: 36
"Did the word of God go forth from you? Or has it come to you alone."
Thats his response to their statement of prohibiting women to speak.
So no he isnt so against women speaking or praying or teaching in the church.
As for Timothy and the other Pastorals... These were most likely written after Paul's death and reflect changes in doctorine, not Paul's own apopstolic writings and tachings..
