Bush changes mind on Isreal.

[Nilsen]

I dont get it.... it seems its wrong when Kerry changes his mind, and its wrong when Bsuh does it.

I think changing your mind is a smart thing to do if you think you are wrong or situations change. Most people change their minds alot during a lifetime. Its those people that stick with one thing without reflecting on their opinoins and reacting to changes that are the truly dumb and dangerous once.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Its those people that stick with one thing without reflecting on their opinoins and reacting to changes that are the truly dumb and dangerous once.

We call them professional politicians over here. I personaly am tired of the same lip service offered every election cycle, by the same (philisophically, if not physically) candidate.

A surge of non-politically motivated candidates is what the general populace needs to become interested in the election process. As the temperature in hell has reached nowhere near freezing, we are stuck with the same old pandering fools that see every few years.

I assume it is the same 'across the pond', as our brothers say.

[strk]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
FACT:  Sharon himself has supported withrawing from settlements and has been shot down from his own parlement/congress (whatever they have)

Truth:  Bush has allways supported Isreal and Peace in the region

Myth:  Peace will actually be achieved there and that the jews and the arabs will find common ground to acheive it due to cultural differences

Thats about as simplified as I can make it but I think that's pretty close to the mark.

fact - Sharon only recently relented on the settlement issue - just this week iirc.  His conservative hard line approach was to increase the settlements

fact - Bush made a diplomatic mistake by siding with Sharon.  The US needs to broker a peace, and not take sides - especially since we finance Israel.  Actually I guess it was more of an opinion.

The ME mess is basicaly at its heart a class and racial/cultural struggle.

[storch]

What Nuke said. That would be the smart thing for the israelis to do. give the palestinians all that they ask for on the land issue.  As soon as they restart their homicide bombings. wipe them out. the mongrel world opinion be damned at that point.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Storch would have made an excellent little goose stepping Nazi....

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by strk
fact - Sharon only recently relented on the settlement issue - just this week iirc.  His conservative hard line approach was to increase the settlements.

Actual fact: his policy was to pull out of Gaza and dig in in the west bank, until he lost a Likud party policy vote.  When he lost the support of Likud, he modified the policy.

fact - Bush made a diplomatic mistake by siding with Sharon.  The US needs to broker a peace, and not take sides - especially since we finance Israel.  Actually I guess it was more of an opinion.[/B]

I think Bush was trying to support a compromise, getting Isreal out of Gaza would at least get a piece of the future Palestinian state in Palestinian hands.  The other side of the coin, the west bank, was too much to pay for it, and made the compromise a bad idea.

The US policy should be for total Israeli withdrawl from the West Bank and Gaza as soon as the Palestinians denounce terror, disband hamas, hezbolla et al, arrest the leaders, get rid of Arafat, and hold elections for new leadership. Start acting like a country instead of a mob of thugs.

The ME mess is basicaly at its heart a class and racial/cultural struggle. [/B]

I think the Arabs really wouldn't care much about Palestine if it weren't for the state controlled press of the region flaming it up all the time. They flame it to keep their population from being angry about their plight in their own countries.  It's a misdirection ploy by the various governments of the region to stay in power and keep raking in the benifits of power.