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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2004, 05:52:59 PM »
nobody never cares when occupants die... most of local folk whitch has been ever occupird very welcomed every death occupant.....

and everybody stick to people with similary thinking during hard times, so even if it were true, it is ok
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2004, 06:03:02 PM »
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the arabs and americas enemies are making a mountain out of the molehill because they can..

those responible will be dealt with, pls carry on with the rest of the war ... and your hatred towards the best country in the world



the US of A and her men and women in uniform

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2004, 06:46:18 PM »
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Anybody else see racist stereotypes in this editorial?


well the middle guy does look kinda Jewish....

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2004, 08:30:46 PM »
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The proof is in the pudding - watch Rummy's testimony.  Apparently he was more interested in launching an investigation and finding out exactly what happened upon learning of the "abuse" than calling a press conference.

A man doing his job without the spotlight - unthinkable.


And here we have it folks.... what "really" happened makes no difference whatsoever.
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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2004, 08:55:06 PM »
The idea that this was a story that was "just broken" is false. I had the oportunity to listen to part of the testimony while I was at work. It seems the allegations of abuse were actually announced some time ago. It was also announced and carried in the washington post that an inquiries were in process over it and that the situiation was being rectified. As was broadcast in the testimony the time line shows the story was announced by the command in iraq. It just didn't get much attention until these pictures just showed up. Now it's news.

Guess it's too much trouble to actually read the newspaper in Washington unless it's got pictures.
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2004, 03:54:31 AM »
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Again little person you have no right to call any of our men or women in uniform "scum".


fix you knowlege please

we live in a free countries, we can call them even more funny names


we have may be more rights that you in some sort of things :D

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2004, 04:18:09 AM »
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That is because we normally have standards in america. When an american is dragged through the streets by another american the outrage is just as high. When an uneducated savage does it during wartime in a warzone, it is not that shocking. And so when America allows torture and murders of its POW's there will be much outrage.


There should be, and is, "much outrage" at the evidence of prisoner treatment at that prison, by 30 or so members (but not for long) of our military.

There should be, and isn't, "much outrage" of the caulous and barbaric treatment of non-military citizens of the United States, and other crountries, by the same ilk that were receiving that barbaric treatment in the prison that we all have seen.

There is nothing acceptable in the photos that we have seen.

There is no excuse that can justify what was done.

The American people will accept nothing less than full justice for those that participated in these crimes.

The difference is that we are shocked and ashamed at what we have seen.

The other side revels at the sight of images of mutilation, murder and torture of our people.

The difference is that those actions are not acceptable to us, but welcomed by those that despise us.

On Rummy, he was doing what he was supposed to be doing, investigating the situation while protecting his boss, as would any SECDEF under any administration. The calls for resignation and impeachment are laughable in that they are transparently partisan. They do aid in showing the lawmakers that are more loyal to party than they are to country, and I sincerely hope that their constituents take note.

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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2004, 08:15:56 AM »
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nobody is justifying anything.  At least not me.  I just see more outrage over this than charred bodys being dragged through the street and dismembered.  At least these guys are still breathing


IMO those Blackwater mercs risked their lives for money and I dont have much sympathy for them.  They knew what they were getting in to and it was for their 1500 per day paycheck, not out of any duty to the US.

I don't have any more sympathy for them than I would someone who lost their life savings gambling in Vegas.  Except pity, because they gambled their lives for a few bucks and lost.

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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2004, 08:16:49 AM »
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And you have proof of this?


Rummy himself - the worst is yet to come

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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2004, 11:25:45 AM »
I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.

I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.

Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.

If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.

It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.

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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2004, 01:24:44 PM »
Raubvogel, this is the post I've been waiting for. You might be peeing in the wind tho trying to convince some folks of the facts vs. the sensationalism. I guess it's more interesting to be angry than it is to be informed.

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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2004, 03:27:59 PM »
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I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.

I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.

Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.

If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.

It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.



we cant leave Iraq.  We created this mess and we have to fix it.  We broke it we bought it.

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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2004, 03:57:37 PM »
It was broke long before we ever went in.
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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2004, 04:01:45 PM »
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This is soooooooooooo cute


What's wrong w/ it?  Ohhh the American flag is in there.  Ya, that bothers you huh?
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2004, 04:03:05 PM »
Ravs, your cartoon says what many of us our thinking.

On the flip side, where was all the uproar worldwide when Americans were hung from a bridge after being tortured and murdered... then set on fire?

Honestly, it seems that the world thinks it's ok.
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