Ameerka Haters

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Toad
What is the "first reported incident" then? Link, please. Might as well all start off on the same page.

In the case of Abu Ghraib, it appears to be the first report. Unless you have other documentation?

The investigation proceeded and two days after the investigation began, the leadership was removed. This act of suspension effectively ended their Army careers, btw. That seems fast.



The investigation continues and six soldiers are charged about 3 months into the investigation. Notably, this is about a month BEFORE the pictures are shown to the public.



So, the answers to your questions are "no", "no" and "yes" respectively.

Wow!!!! DEFINITE cover up there Toad. Thanks for the heads up....  

[Gunslinger]

PULLING MY HAIR OUT AND BANGING MY HEAD ON THE DESK.



Do you idots realize how long some article 31 investigations take some times.

THE PEOPLE CHARGED HAVE RIGHTS!  This is no different than back home.  You investigate and file charges.  Yes, the charges probably coincided with the pics being made public.  This is to apease people like you saying WERE IS THE JUSTICE???????

These soldiers have rights....plain and simple.  You investigate....you charge.....than you have trial.  They did this BY THE BOOK.

All this crap about Rumsfeild resigning is just political crap

[wklink]

I am amazed sometimes.  

If there were abuses and they could have fixed the problems and prosecuted the individuals responsible without causing a major international incident What is the Problem? .

No one wants a ton of publicity, especially a big **** sandwich like this one if you can avoid it.  What did you expect, for the authorities to run right out and say, 'Lookie at what we did!'.  

An investigation was started and I am sure that people would have been relieved with or without the story being leaked.  If they didn't then the whole thing would have come out eventually.

[lada]

yeah on today news has been report that some US soldiers already got rebuke

[strk]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Hey Strk:

Can't find the link I used anymore (a May 6 story is too old for yahoo) but Toad's CNN timeline story is pretty good.

By the way, has Ken Lay been charged yet? It's been longer than last January since he came to the radar screens.

Seems like with all the pictures they have enough evidence to get several convictions but I do not know all the intimate details of the prosecuter's case.  Do you?

agreed - I saw the CNN story after I posted it.

And I why Ken Lay has not been indicted also.  Now that the husband wife just entered their guilty pleas I think they are going to talk and maybe get Keny boy in the net.  I hope so b/c he sure deserves it.

[strk]

Originally posted by Toad
What is the "first reported incident" then? Link, please. Might as well all start off on the same page.

In the case of Abu Ghraib, it appears to be the first report. Unless you have other documentation?

The investigation proceeded and two days after the investigation began, the leadership was removed. This act of suspension effectively ended their Army careers, btw. That seems fast.



The investigation continues and six soldiers are charged about 3 months into the investigation. Notably, this is about a month BEFORE the pictures are shown to the public.




So, the answers to your questions are "no", "no" and "yes" respectively.

Salvation Army concerns prompted Humans Rights Watch to notify Bremer with 2 letters in September iirc.  If I see a link I will post.  

But just think about it - there have been a few prisoner complaints flying under the radar - remember the british guy from gitmo?

And you are wrong about when they were charged.  It was just last week and it was AFTER the pics became public

[Toad]

I'll await your link. In the meantime I'll review the HRW website.

Jamal al-Harith? Has there been any verification or substantiation of his claims as yet? I can't find any, anywhere.

As to the timeline on charging the soldiers:

The CNN timeline has them charged on May 20, linked above.

The Washington Post has an article saying they were charged on May 20.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A11587-2004Mar20?language=printer


Islam Online has them charged on May 20.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-03/21/article09.shtml

MSNBC's Timeline has them charged on May 20 as well.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/


There can be NO DOUBT that the photos were first made public on CBS “60 Minutes II" on April 28.

How much more do you need?


Six soldiers were charged BEFORE the photos were first aired on 60 minutes....... over a MONTH before the photos were aired.

Let's see YOUR "proof" that this was not how it happened.

[Toad]

Timeline of Detainee Abuse Allegations and Responses


That's from HRW itself. Nothing in there about letters in September from HRW. In fact, most of the entire timeline shows the US military out in front of HRW in policing their operation and punishing soldiers found to be abusing prisoners.

[Holden McGroin]

So Toad, you're saying that all the photos have done is bring this to the public's attention?  You're saying that rather than turning a blind eye, the military was already taking significant steps to prosecute offenders before the photos were shown on 60 minutes?

from Human Rights Watch Website you linked  “Eight marine reservists face charges ranging from negligent homicide to making false statements in connection with the mistreatment of prisoners of war in Iraq.” Associated Press, October 19, 2003  

Son of a gun, I guess you are right...

[txmx]

February 6, 2003

    * Newsday reports that Vincent Cannistraro, a former intelligence official, told reporters that, “Better intelligence…has come from a senior Al-Qaeda detainee who had been held in the U.S. base at Guantanamo, Cuba, and was ‘rendered to Egypt after refusing to cooperate. ‘They promptly tore his fingernails out and he started to tell things.’ ” (Newsday, February 6, 2003)


Yep that would do it i think.