How about a prayer for Nick Berg

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
so, for all of you guys who think we should deal with this giving them back their own treatment.

what would be our point in being there?  the excuse of the day for this war is that we had to remove Saddam's cruel, sadistic rule, that had no freedom, basic human rights or justice for the Iraqi people.  (that is the latest excuse isn't it.  I mean we aren't there to enforce the UN resolution because the UN didn't want us to go, the WMD thing turned out to be a big bust, and the link between Iraq and 9-11 hasn't been found and the last I heard the pentagon said there was no real evidence that there was ever a link).

  so as I understand it the current reason we are there is to replace the evil Saddam, right? or is there a new one?

so if we go over there and do as some of you are saying, and lower our selves to their standards.  if we eliminate with extreme prejudice anyone who isn't on-board with what we have planed for Iraq, and do so in the cruelest and intimidating way possible, whats the point?  I mean if we are just going to go take Saddam out and then continue to rule the country the way he did, well that just seems kinda pointless, and we just sent our guys off to die for no good reason other than to allow us to drain our treasury into Iraq.

some of you may have missed this lesson as a kid, so I'll catch you up.  you have certain standards of behavior for yourself, and for how you treat others.  you follow these standards not because the others deserve it, but because of who you are, and who you'll become if you abandon your standards.

Thats not what im saying at all in respect to killing innocents. My point is if we make the "threat" of retribution so horrible that they would choose not to commit barbaric acts. they being "terrorists" not innocent people who have done nothing.
And befor u say "but the reletives are innocent!!" . Give me a break the proverbial apple ussually doesn't fall to far from the tree in these instantsis

[straffo]

Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, your right. And we should have told the Brits and French to ignore the Germany/Poland thingie in 1939, too. Too late now, I guess.

Ca c'est du post de plouc inculte de premiere classe

[Toad]

LOL!

If there was a  "plouc inculte", he made the post to which I responded. And yours too, I guess.

I suppose it's possible that both of you have worked hard to be a "plouc cultivé" though. Considering your fine, strapping growth and all in that field.

[straffo]

1-je n'ai pas posté précédement
2-je ne vois pas en quoi ma réaction me fait être d'accord ou pas avec Naso quand j'ai une idée je l'écrit moi-même et si je suis d'accord avec l'idée d'un autre je l'écrit je ne le laisse pas deviner

Je comprend votre énervement et votre réaction par rapport a cet acte d'une sauvagerie abjecte.

Mais  littéralement <CHIER> sur la mémoire des gents qui se sont battu en 1939 pour essayer de sauver quelque chose.
 
Ce n'est pas ce que l'on peut appeller une réaction intelligente.

Surtout que le rapport avec la discution présente est inexistant.

 
Et les histoires comme : c'est lui qui a commencé le premier
on a quitté depuis longtemps la maternelle,bordel !

Marre de ce BBS de naze.

rahhhh ca va mieux

[MaddDog]

Sorry for my original post, it was already a rough day and i came home to see that, just put me over the top.

Although, i think we should do something about these guys who repeatedly do this crap. IMHO we have already sent our troops there to die for nothing, they cannot even barely act as soldiers, everytime they go to battle, after theyve lost friends etc, they get orderd to pull out.

And saying "us (the americans) in general"  lable countrys who told us not to do it as cowards etc is dumb. I have no problem with any of the other countrys, they dont wana help us its fine.

To me it seems like alota people are forgetting about 911. They (terrorists) attackd us first and repeatedly. The way i see the Iraq war, is that we sent troops there to takeout an evil man who possibly posed a threat to us, but more importantly abused his own people, alota the people in iraq didnt have things we take for granted ( water, power, clean living conditions etc, and they lived in fear daily).

The oil thing i dont buy, i mean why? we have fairly good relations with the Saudis and Kuwaitis we didnt really need iraqs oil, and now we are using that oil money to rebuild their country and provide fresh water, power etc for all the people of iraq.

Only problem is, they keep killing us for no reason, sure were in their country for the time being, but we dont wana be there anymore then they want us there, personally i think we just wana get a government set up thats not crooked and is fair and just etc, a government that the people want in office, not someone who killed to get his way on top.

Now because a very select few americans abused some Iraq POWs (which i do not like and think lowers whatever respect we did have) are taking to hating the US. When terrorist kidnapp and brutally kill inocent americans who dont have anything to do with that mess over there. Thats what makes me most mad.

As to my idea, it would not be hard at all, All you need is some CIA agents willing to do the job, agents who know the culture and speak the language.

Then have those people who are selected swallow or maybe place it in their hair or somewhere VERY hidden and not noticble a mini device that a satilite or other machine could track.(not sure if something like this exists, but im sure it could be develpod pretty easy).

Next have these agents pose as contractors, just the average american helping in iraq, but put them in places where kidnappings are high. They would have specific places to be at certain times, they dont show up, they are kidnapped. Youd then follow the tracking signal to the whatever location.

Have an aircraft follow the signal off in the distance, determine the location and send in troops.

obviously this is a rough overview that could be perfected GREATLY, but thats just my idea.

anyways my ranting will not help any of the situation and i agree this post was to remember and honor and brave and good man.
Again RIP Nick Berg.

(Note): sorry if spelling and grammer isnt so great, had to type in a hurry.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
LOL!

If there was a  "plouc inculte", he made the post to which I responded. And yours too, I guess.

I suppose it's possible that both of you have worked hard to be a "plouc cultivé" though. Considering your fine, strapping growth and all in that field.

I dont think i have been offensive, anyway.

If you feel the urge to throw personal attacks just by reading my virtual-voice, why dont you put me in your ignore list?

Why not?

Think about it.

[Toad]

1. Evidemment

2. Est-ce que je vous ai dit étais d'accord avec Naso ? Non. J'ai dit il est évident que les deux remarques semblent être d'un plouc inculte. Pas la même chose.

Vous mal comprenez totalement. Je ne raille pas l'anglais ou le Français.

Si vous rappel, cette chose entière commenciez par l'invasion d'Iraq's du Kowéit.

Beaucoup de la manière que l'invasion allemande de la Pologne a commencé une autre guerre.

Quand le monde a-t-il profité en ignorant l'agression des dictateurs ? Si jamais ?

Pardonnez-moi ; I'm fatigué des apologistes.

[Toad]

Naso, talk to Straffo. I think he can explain to you that I did not insult you.

[Otto]

I've got a prayer, but it's not for Berg.  He's beyond prayers.  Mine is for someone else....

[straffo]

Originally posted by Toad
1. Evidemment

2. Est-ce que je vous ai dit étais d'accord avec Naso ? Non. J'ai dit il est évident que les deux remarques semblent être d'un plouc inculte. Pas la même chose.

Vous mal comprenez totalement. Je ne raille pas l'anglais ou le Français.

Si vous rappel, cette chose entière commenciez par l'invasion d'Iraq's du Kowéit.

Beaucoup de la manière que l'invasion allemande de la Pologne a commencé une autre guerre.

Quand le monde a-t-il profité en ignorant l'agression des dictateurs ? Si jamais ?

Pardonnez-moi ; I'm fatigué des apologistes.

ok roger that, I'll stop posting in this thread after this post .
It's not the proper place to discuss national sensitivity or other concern.

I plead guilty to the fact I certainly misunderstood toad's post

I overreacted for one sentence my only excuse is to be tired and so having translation troubles.

I think You will have an hard time placing me on the side of the terrorist or the scumbag that made an so abject act.
You have perhaps noticed I'm pretty quiet myself in this part of the BBS ,because like you I'm tired to see the 2 side fighting on semantics when boy are dieing.

Luckilly none of the people my familly know have been hurt actually in Iraq even if some are in Iraq

Sorry again to the people reading this thread for the noise I've added.

I apologise for this misbehaviour.
There is a place and a time for each thing and it was neither one of this.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
Naso, talk to Straffo. I think he can explain to you that I did not insult you.

Apologist of the terrorists.

This is not an insult ?

It's your right to think what you want of the others, but when you express theese opinions, you have to assume your responsability, even when hiding behind the monitor.

With me or against me.

What a childish way to see the world, egocentric like only a child can be: "I am the center of the universe".

I am voicing my opinions, and I assume my responsability.

The fact that I disagree with the policy of your government does not imply that I hate the US population, or that I am a cheerleader of the terrorists.

Bush hater?

Neither, I "disprezzo" (dont know how to spell it in english) him, a man that used the dead of thousand of his own citizens to further his criche agenda about world dominance that will have the effect for ALL OF US of a worse world (And I am not talking about Afghanistan, mind you).

I would love that a man like Nick Berg will become US president, with many others like him, willing to really help, and not to bring their opinion of a democratic government on the point of a bayonet.

The cost cut be high, true, but not higher for the humankind of the road that Bush and his media cronies are pushing you... no, us all.

For me, the image of the real, good american, is Nick Berg, naively assuming the maximum risk to bring unconditioned help to the people that need it, or the misguided soldiers that are doing their duty on the first line, but with the same sincere wish to help.

For me it's not american, or even human, who tortured or killed the first man he had in his power to feel the warm taste of having control on another being's life, or the foaming chair-fighters that here call for the Armageddon "because is so funny to see it in the movies", or the people in command, in the button room, that have as only God their own greed.

Or the people that refuse to give the same tribute, indipendently of the nation of wich they were part, to the people, soldiers and civilians, that gave their life, in the same struggle, for us, for our future.

Yes, I dont have a good memory, but that one is carved in stone in my little brain.

[Toad]

Didn't call you an apologist. Reread it.

I said I was tired of them.

Are you putting yourself in that category?

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
Didn't call you an apologist. Reread it.

Well, if you have not, i misunderstud.

I apologize.