Author Topic: fire with fire.. (Read 3257 times)

frank3 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2004, 03:00:10 PM »

though with 3400 rounds the jug comes close too

Widewing · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2004, 06:22:52 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I've furred a litltle in the 47 but I don't do well in int with a horde of niks, La7's and spits capping the field 5 k above me.

lazs

For mixing it up with turn fighters within the sector, I take a D-30 Jug loaded with 25% fuel, plus the 75 gallon belly tank. Ammo load is 6 guns, but the smaller ammo load of 267 rnds/gun.

That drop tank gets me to the fight, and gets discarded regardless of how much gas remains.

So, in this configuration the D-30 climbs very well, between 3,900 and 4,000 ft/min. from the deck (in auto-climb). That's as good or better than any other American iron. Turn rate is at least as good as the P-51D (unless it is low fuel too), but roll rate is faster than the Mustang. Dive acceleration is very good, and zoom climb is impressive too.

Starting out below the Spits and Nikis is not a good idea, unless you have plenty of E. In which case you can often catch them flatfooted not expecting a P-47 to climb as fast as it will.

Ideally, I prefer to show up Co-alt or slightly higher. However, I will have 350 mph on the dial. Working a horde of turn fighters isn't especially difficult so long as you manage your E carefully and avoid turning more than 180 degrees while engaged.

Ever since the 56th squad fell apart, you rarely see anyone flying the P-47 except in the roll of suicide jabo, where they are common. As a result, many of the newer players have no idea how capable they can be if loaded lightly. How they find out is usually painful. The P-47 will fly nearly two sectors on 25% fuel, and while 8 guns is awesome, 6 is more than adequate.

I like the P-47, it's certainly fun and not just a little bit lethal.

My regards,

Widewing

moot · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2004, 07:12:31 PM »

otoh 8 guns assures you saw thru anything with tiny bursts as soon as you know how to hold aim, and in almost any conditions at close range. It also gives you loose change for the odd GV just begging for it.

Matter of fact I never take anything but full guns and ammo.

mechanic · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:08:07 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Fluff dweebs, Gv dweebs, Furball dweebs, Jabbo dweebs.
They're all the same. Cept for spit dweebs who arethe lowest form of dweebs to even dweebiest of dweebs.

We're ALL dweebs or we wouldnt be here.

In fairness these planes are dweeby. in a gaming respect. but only when flown in a dweeb like manner

It must be apreciated that nik2s, LA7s and spit9s are the dweeb versions of great aircraft and many pilots should not be catagorised as dweebs just becuase these are their chosen rides.

If on the other hand you fly zeros, LA5s or spit 5 or 1s then there is no way you should be expected to take dweeb orientated insults. The whole world will not just fly Yank planes becuase the majority think they are where its at.

There are some incredible eastern block pilots who have made the LAs their slaves, Euqualy there are some awesome orientals who have made zeros and niks into a legendary plane, not a dweebish one. and finally, you all know that a good spit pilot is not a dweeb.

Should we have to take this rascist behaviour towards our national pride and history? i think not.

IMHO: the ultimate dweeb ride is the P-51. more bullets than a
Lanc, BnZ capabilties unmatched by many others, and enough fuel to fly round the map forever...
.....But!
When i come up against a pony pilot who is not flying in a dweeby way, then the plane ceases to be a dweeb ride, it them becomes a deadly adversary, worthy of my respect.

So next time you issue the 'Spit dweeb' insult, think about how the fight was won. if it was your bad flying that let the 'dweeb' kill you, or if it was simply the 'dweebishness' of the plane.

Dont show yourself to be ignorant in that a dweeb can kill an ace just becuase he is in a dweeb plane.

MOIL · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:33:29 PM »

We still enjoy dropping "buff's" out of the sky when their trying to carpet bomb our GV's at 200' off the deck!!
When ya think about it, who's the "dweeb" in this senario?

Oh well, it's still just a game:)

Urchin · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:34:56 AM »

Yea, but if you want a 6 gun aircraft that can fight... a P-51 on 25% is a hell of a lot more nimble than a P-47 with 6 guns on 25%. Even a P-40 is more nimble than a P-47.

lazs2 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:04:40 AM »

why bother? A p47 or 51 is ded meant if even someone of my limitied skill catches it low and slow... I am not interested in taking off 2 sectors back or keeping my speed at 350... The yak accelerates well enough to take off from a horde attack and drag a few of the horde out far enough to trun around, whack em, and still run like hell from the other 20 bored toolshed fighting horde members who are starved for any con they can chase that is at a 10 to one diwsadvantage or better.

When I fly my FM2, I can drag em out but every one of the 20 can catch me. fight the fastest one and all the slow ones get a chance to catch up.

just the way the game is these days.

lazs

moot · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:51:50 PM »

lazs stick to the FM2 if it's so much better... you've said it so many times.
Meanwhile some guys will bother with the 8 gun pig and for every two sorties lost to one mistake, survive at least another shallow climbout and land a 10+kill sortie. I do it alone all the time successfully, nevermind with a proper wingman.
ManeTMP to name just one, does some odd kami sorties in A8s and D11s etc, everytime we bag a ****load.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2004, 02:47:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
what's truly amusing is when buff dweebs and gv dweebs try and get all smack-y with each other.

Had a good laugh at two dweebs fighting over who had the best 'tank' rank. One of then even challenged the other to a tank duel.

ack-ack

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2004, 03:02:59 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
In fairness these planes are dweeby. in a gaming respect. but only when flown in a dweeb like manner

Should we have to take this rascist behaviour towards our national pride and history? i think not.

I am NOT a Racist... I dont like anyone.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2004, 03:10:32 PM »

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Originally posted by MOIL
We still enjoy dropping "buff's" out of the sky when their trying to carpet bomb our GV's at 200' off the deck!!
When ya think about it, who's the "dweeb" in this senario?

Oh well, it's still just a game:)

Oh I just LOVE when they come in like that when Im in a tank and they come in at my 12 all low.

Amazing how many planes you can shoot down with the main gun on a tank.
I kill quite a bit that way.

Wish we had a stat on it

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 13, 2004, 03:39:27 PM »

moot.. if you are slow in a 47 and even someone like me is in a yak or an FM2 you are ded... end of story. The only way you can stay alive in a 47 is to fly it in a way that I find to be extremely boring. I am not concerned so much with how many kills I get per sortie so much as how much fun the fights were and how many kills per hour I had.

The fact that you like to fly one way and I another is the reason the plane get's used by you a lot and very little by me... The plane is a pig for mixing it up.

lazs

moot · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:06:43 PM »

yes it's a pig.
yes I fly the way you don't, but also the way you do.
yes im dead if someone like you in a top tier plane finds me slow in a 47, but so what, it never happens, how do you think i learned to survive in impossible odds like lone 152 in the middle of n1ks and spits?

this is the limit of politeness, you want me to be honest? You need to get better, because YES there is a way to survive without "boring flying", that is kill everything you see at the first occasion, most efficient way is to arrange it so the biggest threats fall first. Threat total falls exponentially with each kill usually.

Put me in an FM2 and it's the same, you flip the maneuverability/firepower ratio around. I just don't have the patience to do endless acrobatics to dodge bullets, I'd rather take the weight penalty and get enough ammo for ten assured kills, maybe as much as 20 in a perfect sortie.
I'd rather work for a perfect 10-15 kill sortie in an impossible plane than have one where there's always this nice and comfy safety net to always bail me out of what's ultimately inevitable: entropy: low and slow.

moot · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:10:32 PM »

I need a challenge damnit

Fm2 isn't one.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:23:44 PM »

Am I to take it from this thread that the Pony D is a dweeb ride?

The high speed maneuvering flaps make for a deadly combinations of effective wing loading for different situations.

But as for dweeby, the Pony is no longer an effective "Runstang" as the Dora or LA7 will run you down with little effort on the deck.

I think the Pony is one of the superior rides in the arena, but it takes some effort to get the most out of it, and you certainly don't get 1 ping kills like some of the cannon rides.

I am not sure there are "dweeb rides", but I do think that there are "dweeb pilots"