Iraq is not part of the war on terror!

[VOR]

It's difficult for me to decide whether I'm more disgusted by the act itself or the fact that people on this BBS and elsewhere appear to be attempting to justifying it.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by VOR
It's difficult for me to decide whether I'm more disgusted by the act itself or the fact that people on this BBS and elsewhere appear to be attempting to justifying it.

agreed:(

[lada]

Originally posted by Sabre
The prisoner abuse by a few US soldiers of Iraqi military prisoners was a sorrority prank compared with this.

im sorry about it but i have to stop on this one.

We already know that British soldiers did some of those things as well. ONLY few of them.... not many... realy minority....

So today it went official that untill now it is about 100 British soldiers.

Im wondering what will be that lill number in US army
.... may be few .... hundreds

[VOR]

Lada, why don't you say what you're really thinking?

Are American soldiers (in your opinion) more predisposed to abusive behavior, or am I misunderstanding?

[RedTop]

Originally posted by VOR
Lada, why don't you say what you're really thinking?

Are American soldiers (in your opinion) more predisposed to abusive behavior, or am I misunderstanding?

   you really hope that it is a huge number so it will make it easier to justify your dislike of Amercans or America in general. I mean if you don't like this country..just say so.

[Vulcan]

Well they brutally beheaded an innocent civilian today (among other shootings of civilian contractors)...

At first I was dismayed with the US military, but now the Iraqi's get no sympathy from me and I've come to the conclusion that your guys over there are probably reacting to a situation we don't comprehend from this distance.

So you can wrap em in bacon and push them out the side of Blackhawks as far as I'm concerned.

[lada]

Originally posted by VOR
Lada, why don't you say what you're really thinking?

Are American soldiers (in your opinion) more predisposed to abusive behavior, or am I misunderstanding?

My point was.

We are hearing statement that only few of US soldiers have something to do with this probem. And we also hear that *some* of British soldiers too.

So by today we already know that *British some* is number around 100. Since it is supposed to be only smaller part of problem, im wnodering how many of US soldiers were/are in this thing.

I expect few hundreds of them, whitch is not failure of one man.
Its failure of system in my opinion.

[ravells]

No! Westy!

This excuse that 'they are more primitive than us, so it's acceptable to behead a prisoner' just does not wash with me. It was cruel and brutal. Believe you me, there are many Arabs who are very sophisticated, where are their voices apart from occasional blogs?

The Arabs are intelligent enough to see that this is a cycle of violence which is just errupting (us losing the propoganda war again).

Now...here's what I think. It's a bit extreme but in the long run it may save many lives. People who commit crimes in other countries ought to subject to the punishment of those countries. So, as an exception (and yes a publicity stunt) try the prison guards under Shariah law and punish them under Shariah law. As for the people who beheaded that poor bloke, try them under Shariah law too - once they are captured. As I understand it, the families of the victim will have a choice of having the perpetrators beheaded or accepting 'blood money'. Whatever the choice, it will show the Arabs that we can abide by their rules.

....or are we too civilised for that?

[edit] guess Westy deleted that post [edit]

Ravs

[VOR]

Lada, ok guess I *did* misunderstand your meaning. Thanks for setting me straight.

I think you have a legitimate concern, but I also think the answer to your question is no: the system is not broken down or failing.

IMO, of course.

[ravells]

What is your solution, lada?

Ravs

[Westy]

Ravells.  I agree.

 My original post which I edited to make smaller before posting also mentioned many of your points.  About how the much of the ME is amazingly civilized and many there were shocked and dismayed at the execution of the reporter in Pakistan as well as the 4 civilians who were killed and burned by a mob in Iraq last month.  But I ended up deleting my post because like Udie I'm tired of arguing on these boards.  I just didn't delete it fast enough

[VOR]

Ravells, interesting idea. I know of many instances were American "offenders" were turned over to local authorities in Germany and Korea over the past few years for trial under local law.

The message to the locals is quite clear and obvious.

The message to our boys is equally clear: behave yourself.

The circumstances are drastically different than in Iraq, of course, so I'm not sure if an idea like this would fly...but it's still good food for thought.

[ravells]

Thank you, both

[FUNKED1]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BACON!

[SavedSaint]

first.

the prisoners are not at fault for what the others in their country have done.

just as many americans are not at fault for what the sum of a few have done..