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Offline Creamo

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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2005, 06:33:54 AM »
Talk about commercial retail shelf space shortage. You would think with the new small boxes, and "Classic" games where they just shrink wrap the CD and stack them by the hundreds, there would be a game of the year FP copy somewhere local. Nope, had to order it from Amazon. Sheesh.

OFP any good on LAN btw?

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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2005, 07:07:42 AM »
The MP Code for OFP is ideal for a LAN (well, it could be better, but it's pretty good). In fact, for the USMC, US National Guard, Australian Defense Forces, US Secret Services, DARPA, Swedish Armed Forces, Singapore Army, French Army, there are clear accounts on the web that they have LANs running some form of the OFP engine.

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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2005, 08:10:03 AM »
The LAN guys are worried it's a "killed, your out of the session" Dinger. They are used to playing "Cat and Mouse" in Call of Duty United Offensive, which is a blast on LAN.

OFP is good stuff LAN then?

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2005, 08:16:13 AM »
You can have infinite respawns in ofp, or you can have just one life. OFP isn't really the game, the game is the addons, of which there are a huge amount, you could think of OFP as an operating system.

Look at some of the addons, and readup on them.

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/

I love ofp, but I know there are people who hate it.

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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2005, 09:24:24 AM »
I used to play OFP a lot, sorta stopped after that WWII mod came out, what was that, 3 years ago now? I've still got my CDs around somewhere, looking at the list of new mods this thing might be worth getting back into. I always loved the sytle of that game.

Speaking of WWII mods any of you guys play Red Orchestra?

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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2005, 10:24:01 AM »
I'm not much into wwII stuff unless it's strategic or flying. The tempo of addon releases for ofp has actually been increasing.

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2005, 01:09:57 PM »
FPS games make me dizzy.

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2005, 01:54:19 PM »
Try OFP, I bet ya it doesn't.

FPS games in small arenas like HL, CS, Doom, etc, all make a friend of mine dizzy, so dizzy he throws up.  OFP doesn't cos it's not based in a 300ft x 300ft arena........it's based on a 12mile x 12mile island.


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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2005, 02:31:53 PM »
yes, there are many games built around various respawn systems.  The big limitation right now is on join in progress, which is not supported (but has been promised for ofp2).
Well, actually, the other limitation is on mission design. As suave says, the OFP engine is like an operating system. well, it's a little more limited than that... but that's what makes it tricky.

Mission design depends on the units placed in there, so a mission is made specifically for addons and mods. For example, let's say you wanted to have some sort of vietnam scenario where the human players make up a LRRP squad on a mission to locate an enemy base. You insert via Huey 4 klicks from the search area, then hump it in. Once you locate the base, record the location, pull back, and call an airstrike. If needed, some M101s at a FB will prove a couple 105mm fire missions. Call it in, then withdraw to base.

Okay, for such a mission you would need:
a Vietnamese terrain (such as the 12x12km Ia Drang Valley map, or the 25x25km PMC Vietnam Map, or something else)
a set of vietnam-era soldiers and equipment (SEB NP2)
Some appropriate aircraft (e.g., DKMM's Vietnam-era paintjob OV-10)
The howitzers (CoC M101s)
Some effects scripts (say napalm for the OV-10s)

You would build the mission up specifying these units, and you can't replace them at game time.  The disadvantage is that everyone has to have the addons downloaded (Tehre are some auto-downloaders that automate this process on some public servers), and installed. the advantage is that you can have addons that add entirely new features to the game through heavy use of the built-in programming language (such as my howitzers).

The problem is that, with so many factors in play, missions can go bad/out of balance quite easily, especially multiplayer missions, where designers don't always have a handle on what the engine does and doesn't share between clients (and how to work around these limitations).  So when you  download MP missions you get a real mixed bag: everything from MP free for all deathmatches, to capture the flag, to combined-arms CTF. to RTS games, to realistic cooperative missions, to BS coop missions. And you get stuff that works and stuff that doesn't.

The advantage of Suave's system is that the OFP mission environment allows an editor to develop a "one off" mission quite easily, and will even give the designer some surprises.

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2005, 03:25:53 PM »
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Originally posted by Dinger
The MP Code for OFP is ideal for a LAN (well, it could be better, but it's pretty good). In fact, for the USMC, US National Guard, Australian Defense Forces, US Secret Services, DARPA, Swedish Armed Forces, Singapore Army, French Army, there are clear accounts on the web that they have LANs running some form of the OFP engine.



Dinger, it's called VBS1 and it will set you back around $300-$500 depending what you want to do with it. It's a lot like OFP (basic engine is the same but with a few updates, for the rest well, it's Not OFP but take the "Game ouf of OFP" and put in Millitary Sim  and that is what you have with VBS1

check http://www.vbsresources.com/
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2005, 03:31:17 PM »
Well kinda.

I have VBS1 and I'm playing OFP:R instead.


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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2005, 03:40:02 PM »
Swoop,

We (SES) have put up a server. 195.20.109.77:2302 check it out you will need all the addons


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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2005, 03:41:32 PM »
I'll see if I can find the USB key for it, it's around here somewhere I just havn't been bothered to find it since I moved house.


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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2005, 03:44:57 PM »
I said "some form" of the OFP engine. To be precise, DARPA, the swedes, singapore and the French are only using OFP. But that doesn't mean there are other groups out there that use VBS.

Hmmm, so Swoop, you've got VBS1? Heater do you own a copy or just look at the site?

I think all the modules for VBS1 will run you around $700 now;

(don't worry suave, it's not worth converting from OFP to VBS1)

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2005, 03:51:13 PM »
ah yes, SES. Tell Junker the answer is "two weeks"
but I didn't just say that (and it ain't cheap).
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