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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2004, 08:01:14 PM »
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This is soooooooooooo cute


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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2004, 08:43:35 PM »
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And you have proof of this?



Seems the red cross does.
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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2004, 08:44:47 PM »
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I haven't posted on this topic up until now for various reasons, but I thought I'd share something with you all.

I work in a US Army prison. About 2 months ago we got a tasking to send a team of correctional specialists to Iraq for the purpose of training the service members over there on proper POW custody control and treatment. They left without any fanfare or headlines, and had already been on the ground doing their job for quite a while before this story broke the headlines.

Bottom line: The US knew that the treatment was way out of line, and they took positive steps to make sure it is dealt with LOOONG before the story blew up and the media started calling for the head of Rumsfeld. It's not as if we just got caught red-handed and are now jumping through our tulips trying to cover our tracks. This was something that we took steps to take care of because that is the right thing to do.

If I had a choice, I'd say pull all our forces out right now and let the Iraqis sort it out. Then we'll see what atrocities are committed and watch the world go ape**** over it.

It's a shame that the media only broadcasts shocking, negative stories. The world is only seeing 1/2 the story and basing their whole opinion off of it.


So why was congress not informed? That is the scandel. Why was Rumsfeld not telling congress?
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2004, 09:10:40 PM »
Stabby if you had listened to the testimony you would have heard that the story had broken and was published some time ago. The Washingtonm Post no less.
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2004, 10:21:28 PM »
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So why was congress not informed? That is the scandel. Why was Rumsfeld not telling congress?


Have you actually done any reading on this? The timeline is all over the various news sites.

Here's a quick recap for you:

From the CNN Timeline:

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January 13, 2004: Army Spc. Joseph M. Darby, an MP with the 800th at Abu Ghraib, first reports cases of abuse at the prison.

January 16: Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez orders a criminal investigation into reports of abuse at the prison by members of the brigade. The military also announces the investigation publicly[/u]


Three days between initial report of abuse and ordered investigation. Publicly announced.

Where's that scandal again?
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« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2004, 02:38:32 AM »
Steve, it just looks stupid.
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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2004, 03:41:50 AM »
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It was broke long before we ever went in.
Just because you were standing outside the shop throwing bricks in doesn't mean you didn't break it.
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« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2004, 03:59:53 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2004, 10:09:52 AM »
What a suprise. Blame Amreeka! from Dead.
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« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2004, 01:29:14 PM »
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What a suprise. Blame Amreeka! from Dead.
What a surprise -  no actual addressing of the issue, just evasion of it by brushing it off and using the "death to Amreeka" get-out from Toad. Still, I suppose it's easier than doing the whole sanctions and systematic infrastructure bombing debate again.

To sooth your outraged sense of national pride (awww! there, there) - I don't just blame America - the UK is also guilty and to a lesser degree France. The UN also played its part - although to be fair to UN, the US and the UK did make it clear they would use their vetos on any attempt to lift the sanctions they introduced in 661 while Saddam remained in power.
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« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2004, 01:56:27 PM »
I guess this is addressing the issue?

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Just because you were standing outside the shop throwing bricks in doesn't mean you didn't break it.


What a joke.

Your simplistic assessment is just that. America, UK, France? Leaving out a lot of stuff, over a lot of years by a lot of individual nations, not to mention the UN.

Yeah, you really addressed this issue.

You're a "drive-by" type and always have been. Anyone that doubts it need only search your posts.

Funny you don't like it when others do it to you though.
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« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2004, 03:49:12 PM »
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I guess this is addressing the issue?



What a joke.

Your simplistic assessment is just that. America, UK, France? Leaving out a lot of stuff, over a lot of years by a lot of individual nations, not to mention the UN.

Yeah, you really addressed this issue.

You're a "drive-by" type and always have been. Anyone that doubts it need only search your posts.

Funny you don't like it when others do it to you though.
Well basically I was answering in the spirit of your simplistic assessment of the issue "It was broke long before we ever went in".

Which seems to have left out the US-led war, the US, UK & French bombing of Iraq's infrastructure during the first war, the US led-sanctions before during and after the war, the US & UK being the blocking nation in 99% of all 661 council blocks on goods to Iraq, the effects of 12 years of sanctions on Iraq.

Sure other countries were involved - but the US deserves the lion's share of the credit for "breaking" Iraq.

I believe we addressed the issue a while back at length and in much greater depth. Not very "drive-by", IIRC - but I'd be the first to admit that I'm guilty of not having the kind of time Ripsnort has to devote to posting on this BBS, so my attendance can sometimes be patchy, and the time difference can also lead to big gaps.

But I'll bite the bait, then - who broke Iraq if it wasn't the US & the UK?
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« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2004, 10:13:50 PM »
Well, basically, I learned my drive-by techniques from masters like you and blur. What do you think about mirroring?

Sanctions? Bombing? Hmmmmmmmm... you seem to unilaterally place this responsibility on the USA. I am taken aback. I thought these things, including the first Gulf war were authorized by the sainted UN itself.

Yes, I agree; the US, Britain, France and others did act under UN direction in these matters.

And how about that Oil for Food deal, eh?

Who "broke" Iraq? I'd think the answer is as obvious as who invaded Iran in 1980. Or who caused enough concern in the UN that sanctions were placed on Iraq. Or who started Gulf War I by invading Kuwait.

Care to take a guess?
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« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2004, 11:07:27 PM »
Aww, c'mon Toad. You know the CIA secretly backed Saddam during the Iraq-Iran War, and George Bush Sr. gave him the green light to invade Kuwait, but then got pissed because Saddam forgot to return the Guns N' Roses tape he had borrowed the night they made the deal.
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« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2004, 04:02:02 AM »
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  • If the lads performing guard duty are contractors (*cough...mercenaries*) why are they wearing what appears to be US military clothes?
  • How can one be so STUPID as to take pictures of themselves doing that kind of activity (given they have a higher IQ than mrblack)
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