Author Topic: $2.61/gal (Read 7715 times)

Dowding · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:19:58 AM »

Blair out in 2005!

DiabloTX · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:36:42 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Out of interest, how much does diesel cost in the US? In all the European countries I know of, it's about two thirds of the cost of 95 octane unleaded. Except Britain, of course, where the Blair/Labour/socialist thinking is that if we're driving diesels we're getting much better fuel mileage therefore using less and paying less tax. To make up for that, diesel in Britain is priced even higher than unleaded.

It's priced the same as 87 oct. here. Well, speaking for Houston only. 93 oct. is about $2/gal.

Nilsen · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:58:19 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Out of interest, how much does diesel cost in the US? In all the European countries I know of, it's about two thirds of the cost of 95 octane unleaded. Except Britain, of course, where the Blair/Labour/socialist thinking is that if we're driving diesels we're getting much better fuel mileage therefore using less and paying less tax. To make up for that, diesel in Britain is priced even higher than unleaded.

yup, diesel is cheaper here too

Steve · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:01:10 AM »

Diesel used to be much cheaper than gas in the U.S. until the govt decided it was a great source of tax revenue...... the result is that it is no cheaper than gasoline now.

storch · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:22:46 AM »

Gasoline is IIRC the first burn off in the refining process and initially cheaper to produce that diesel. gasoline has its octane increased and other additives introduced thereby causing the increases in production costs. The largest portion of the price we pay at the pump is for taxes.

beet1e · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:58:44 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
Gasoline is IIRC the first burn off in the refining process and initially cheaper to produce that diesel. gasoline has its octane increased and other additives introduced thereby causing the increases in production costs. The largest portion of the price we pay at the pump is for taxes.

I understood that diesel is a lower grade of fuel (less refined) than gasoline. So I would have thought that a gallon of diesel could be made using less crude oil than would be needed to produce a gallon of 95-octane unleaded gasoline.

In 1997 (before we got Blair) 60% of the pump price was tax. It is now closer to 80%.

Dowding!

Eagler · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2004, 06:58:04 AM »

well they got the blood, I say its time to take the oil ...

rpm · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:48:35 AM »

Diesel is primarily a waste product of gas production. Until the introduction of diesel cars in the US in the mid 70 it was 50-60% less than 87 gasoline at the pump. After the introduction of diesel cars the price rose to 100-120% of 87 gasoline.

This would not be that big of a deal if it only affected those diesel cars. The problem is it affects transportation of goods. 18 wheelers average around 8mpg. When the cost of transporting goes up, it eventually makes it's way to the shelf price of goods. The trucker is not the one making the profit from the increase.

I say the overall pump price of gas is at least 50% higher than it should be simply because of oil company manipulation. Putting groups of refineries offline at the same time for overhaul instead of a staggered shedule creates a false shortage. The Energy Department has done NOTHING to stop this practice.

While the eyes of the nation have been focused on "The War on Terror" we have been letting the energy industry run wild. We need to take a look at the DOE and find out why this is being allowed to happen.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:50:51 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm371

I say the overall pump price of gas is at least 50% higher than it should be simply because of oil company manipulation. Putting groups of refineries offline at the same time for overhaul instead of a staggered shedule creates a false shortage. The Energy Department has done NOTHING to stop this practice.

While the eyes of the nation have been focused on "The War on Terror" we have been letting the energy industry run wild. We need to take a look at the DOE and find out why this is being allowed to happen.

We agree! (Drops dead from shock...{thump}...)

rpm · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:53:15 AM »

Jupiter HAS aligned with Mars.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:54:23 AM »

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Jupiter HAS aligned with Mars.

And Pluto has aligned with Uranus.

Westy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:56:34 AM »

"The Energy Department has done NOTHING to stop this practice.While the eyes of the nation have been focused on "The War on Terror" we have been letting the energy industry run wild. We need to take a look at the DOE and find out why this is being allowed to happen"

I'll say it again. The people who benefit (read "profit") from controlling the Iraqi oil (and then Opec) is NOT John or Jane Public.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:59:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Westy
"The Energy Department has done NOTHING to stop this practice.While the eyes of the nation have been focused on "The War on Terror" we have been letting the energy industry run wild. We need to take a look at the DOE and find out why this is being allowed to happen"

I'll say it again. The people who benefit (read "profit") from controlling the Iraqi oil (and then Opec) is NOT John or Jane Public.

Better check your facts Westy. When you do, post the links, or sources of information here please.

Words on a BBS mean nothing without facts to back them up.

rpm · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:13:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
And Pluto has aligned with Uranus.

Aww, Mongo straight!

Westy · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:20:15 AM »

You mean like you? I should post Cut & Pasted walls of text consisting of others literary work and opinion? Or post links and a synopsis none of which you have any intention of reading. It's been done on the board here and at AGW by others several times already. All of which gets branded and replied to by the neanderthal-con and neo-con as "Bush is Hitler" "No blood for Oil," "diud you forget 9/11???!!! and "lies lies lies" - in other words the post and poster gets defamed and the message minimized

With all that has transpired and been uncovered over the past year alone I'm amazed people like you still support the US administration, a veritable house of lies, so strongly.

I don't need to do any research for you. I posted my firm opinion based on past deceptions & practices by US officials and oil corporations, on who is now in office, past legislation attempts by some of the heads of this administration and on who has headed certain corporations in the past.