Author Topic: Innocent men in prison!  (Read 693 times)

Offline strk

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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2004, 07:38:04 AM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Blown way out of proportion this is.

It is not the DNA analysis or the DNA evidence that was falsified. She just didnt do one or more of the control tests to ensure the results were correct. For example, she might have only run the sample through the DNA screener (dunno right word in english)
 once instead of twice. Or she did not do a by-the-book-45-step-calibration of the screener before each test. That does not mean the DNA evidence is false or flawed. It just means that she checked the box "calibrated equipent before sample" even though she didnt.


DNA evidence requires those safeguards, among other things, as foundation before it can be admitted.  

not calibrating the equipment or running controls means that the results were not reliable.  Daubert et al would have kept them out because they could not aid the factfinder in deciding guilt or innocence.  

their inclusion is now the basis for hundreds of writs of habeas corpus for new trials, which due process and 6th amendment right to a fair trial will require.  We shall see how many get re-convicted over the next few years.

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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2004, 07:43:30 AM »
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Originally posted by Mini D
Mistrials always give a slight upperhand to the defendant.  There's a chance that without cooberating DNA evidence, the prosecuter may not even chose to re-try the case.

There are a couple of layers in place to determine if there was actually a mistrial, so it is a bit difficult to get there.  But I'm pretty sure that any case where the DNA testing was actually presented as evidence or where the DNA testing was used to obtain a confession, there's a strong chance of a mistrial.

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the mere passage of time aids the defendant because witnesses disappear, etc and the prosecutor has the burden of proof.

I dont think that use of the DNA to get a confession will be enough for new trial, as the confession can be obtained by trickery and subterfuge, and actually that happens all the time (ok fess up, your co-defendant just spilled his guts and said you did it all, and I am wondering which one of you Im going to charge so tell me what happenned and I will go easy on you - or some similar scenario)

as long as there is some corroboration, the confession will probably stand.  However, the appeals courts are going to have to say that the defendant was not prejudiced by admission of DNA if they are going to deny a new trial, and given the absolute certianty that DNA evidence is supposed to impart, that would be almost impossible imo.  Not to say that it wont happen, especialy in the 4th circuit.

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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2004, 08:32:16 AM »
seems she did everything right except one step that she though she could get away without doing and still have an accurate test...

She should be charged with falsifying records.

The tests should and probly will, be run again... I betcha the results will come out the same.

Still.... affirmative action is a terrible thing.

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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2004, 09:16:22 AM »
What has affirmative action got to do with this?
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