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Offline GtoRA2

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« on: May 19, 2004, 10:54:52 AM »
Guys, looking at the skins, you are doing an amazing jop, they really look outstanding.


My only complaint is, they are so clean.

Look at pictures of the real planes, they are dirty, dented, scratched and warn.

All the skins seem like planes out of the hanger at China or an airshow, not WW2 era paint jobs.

Is it just me, cause I find a warn and used looking plane far more interesting then then pampered airshow queens.
Here is what i am talking about: F4U skin by Greebo looks great but I am sure Corsairs in the south pacific were not this clean!


Now this is how a WW2 fighter should look!! SELECTOR
You rock man! This skin is FANTASTIC!

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 11:06:58 AM »
Well, since there can be 15 skins per plane, i think. Id like to see some of both! Some clean hanger fresh ones, and some that have seen maybe alil more combat then others:D

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 11:23:30 AM »
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Guys, looking at the skins, you are doing an amazing jop, they really look outstanding.


My only complaint is, they are so clean.

Look at pictures of the real planes, they are dirty, dented, scratched and warn.

All the skins seem like planes out of the hanger at China or an airshow, not WW2 era paint jobs.

Is it just me, cause I find a warn and used looking plane far more interesting then then pampered airshow queens.
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Keep in mind that the aircraft would show different rates of wear depending on how long they had been with a squadron, were they the CO's kite or a Flight commanders etc.  To be honest I think many of the skins look too beaten up.  No self respecting crew chief would have let the plane get that beaten up.

Look at the image of the two Spit XIIs below.  Big difference in appearance of the two Spits.  EB-B had been with the squadron for about 6 months at the time of the photo and was the Flight Commanders bird.  It's polished up nicely, with just a bit of scuffing around the wing root where people had been walking.

EB-D had been with the squadron almost a year at the time of the photo and was a regular squadron aircraft.  The finish is much more faded and beaten up from longer use.  And it probably didn't get the spit and polish of a Flight Commanders aircraft.

I'd prefer EB-B's look.  

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 11:55:14 AM »
Is this worn and dirty enough for ya?



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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2004, 12:21:37 PM »
variety is good. show room models and beaters we want em all.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 01:30:22 PM »
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.  To be honest I think many of the skins look too beaten up.  No self respecting crew chief would have let the plane get that beaten up.

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Not quite true, Tiff, I've many pictures of Jugs looking extremly "patchwork" where bits and pieces have been put together to make a "god 'un" in the field. Mechanicaly perfect, may be, but very rough looking. The same would be true of North Africa, I imagine.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 01:36:38 PM »
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Not quite true, Tiff, I've many pictures of Jugs looking extremly "patchwork" where bits and pieces have been put together to make a "god 'un" in the field. Mechanicaly perfect, may be, but very rough looking. The same would be true of North Africa, I imagine. [/B]



Sure there were those birds, but the stuff that is being skinned are generally Aces aircraft.  Take the Spit XIV for instance.  That's Colin Gray's aircraft when he was Wing Commander.  You can bet his  bird was taken very good care of.

Cripes a' Mighty, the 51D was George Preddy's last 51 and didn't have many hours on it at all.

Personally, I like it when the AH birds look new.  I want to be the one to put the dings, dents, scratches and scars on my own plane :)

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 03:49:00 PM »
Bring on the bullet riddin', bloodied-up, patched-up POS's!  Also let the flight model reflect the POS I'd be flying!  I want to see duct tape flappin' in the wind! :D

Just like in that unhistorically-correct-God-awful movie in which the good ol' American Benifer character went to fly with the RAF and saw the Spit he was going to fly.  As I recalled the RAF commander saying, "Don't worry chap we'll have this thing patched up for ya to fly in no time". :eek:


Actually I would like to see some "weathering" done to the skins.  It adds character.


BTW great job on all the skins so far.  Very impressive! I love being able to chose which skin to use in the hanger.  

Bring the olive drab to the 38 and 17! :aok


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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2004, 04:22:38 PM »
Well, the crews in Europe may have had the time to keeps SOME planes nice and shiny, and they may have had enough planes for an Ace to fly one plane, but from what I know of the pacific. that was not the case most of the time.

Heck, reading through the Tillman book on the F4U, it seems like in the solomons, the crews had to work night and day just to keep the fighters in the air, I doubt they spent much time making them pretty, and I know most of the time you flew what flew and no one had their own planes. I even read of some cases were Marines flew Navy F4Us and vice versa cause they had a mission the the navy sqaud didnt and needed the plane.

Heck all the pictures of Pappy Boyington in lulubell, were staged, and I think he never flew that plane in combat.
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2004, 04:26:41 PM »
dsrtrat
 Yours looks very good as well. In fact I almost used it as an example of "good"

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2004, 04:34:17 PM »
When it comes to actual skinning, it's hard to balance out between the detail and overall looks of it.

 Because, what it looks in the Photoshop, sometimes looks totally different when it's actually wrapped around.

 When I was working with Egon Meyer's Fw190A-5, I tried some very detailed handling, placing all rivets, all panel lines as exactly it is supposed to be. Placing all kinds of text and data and weathering. But the end result I got, was the more detail put into, the more "garbled" it looked when actually applied to the aircraft.

 Basically, I find that weathering is all about balance - the less it is the better the airplane actually looks, and easier it is to do. But without it, no matter how it looks good, the plane looks somewhat incomplete. The heavier it gets, the uglier the plane becomes.

 Personally, I've set my weathering 'agenda' to a principle of "absolute necessity" - the characteristic wear and tears will be portrayed(such as the wingroot area, characteristic of almost all WW2 planes..), but a lot of what we are tempted to portray, inevitably has to be left out.

 That's my view on this.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2004, 04:53:48 PM »
Kwea
 Whats your opinion on Selectors skin? The gray spit in this thread with invasion stripes.

Yeah its dirty and "ugly"

But in my view it is realistic and that has Beauty.

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2004, 05:17:52 PM »
i make it a point to fly thru the plane-o-matic plane washing hanger at least once a week that way when i get shot down I LOOK GOOOOOOD! LOL
Crap now I gotta redo my cool sig.....crap!!! I cant remeber how to do it all !!!!!