Recalling a time when setbacks didn't deter us.

[Lizking]

All the North had to do was impose economic embargos on the South and wait.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Lizking
All the North had to do was impose economic embargos on the South and wait.

Untill they starved!!

[Leslie]

The North had a vested interest in the slave trade.  They built the ships.  If anyone thinks the North is without sin, I have a bridge in Brooklin I'd like to sell 'em.

And now, I think I'll try to exit gracefully without starting another civil war.  




Les

[Lizking]

Actually, Leslie, one big reason the North supported the war was because they needed the Southern cotton for their mills.  They were very afraid that the Confederacy would deal with Britain, thus the embargo.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Scootter
Why in the Hell did we go into Germany after Pearl Harbor was attacked?

Because Germany declared war on you.

Some dumb Demo. Pres must have had an agenda to take over the world or something. I mean Hitler had nothing to due with 12-7-41 did he?

No he didn't, I sure he would have prevented it if he could have.  But unlike the Iraqi government and Al-Quada, Germany and Japan had an alliance.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Leslie
I am too Red Tail.  Are you aware Alabama has more soldiers per state serving in Iraq, that any other US state?

Do you base your belief on what's going on today, or what happened 130 years ago?
Les

I base my belief that anyone taking up arms against the US Government is a bad guy, 130 years ago, or 130 seconds ago. Doesn't mean past bad guys, including Japan, Germany, Italy, or Russia are still bad guys, but they were then, and one must accept that.

[Gunslinger]

They had a lot of crummy decisions and bureaucratic screwups worth re-examining, but they weren't a nation that prioritized retroactive pseudo-legalistic self-flagellating vaudeville over all else.

My favorite quote from the article

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Because Germany declared war on you.




No he didn't, I sure he would have prevented it if he could have.  But unlike the Iraqi government and Al-Quada, Germany and Japan had an alliance.

dont be a tard, I was using sarcasm

I am quite aware he declared war on us, my post was a troll.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Leslie
The North had a vested interest in the slave trade.  They built the ships.  
Les

IIRC the importation of slaves had been stopped for decades prior to the civil war. Ships had nothing to do with it.

[Lizking]

You are right, Mt, 1838 to be exact.

[storch]

Originally posted by midnight Target
IIRC the importation of slaves had been stopped for decades prior to the civil war. Ships had nothing to do with it.

tell that to Cinque and John Quincy Adams.

[lazs2]

sandie... I have read that quote and allways felt that Lincoln was being a little dishonest in it.  I am sure that he personally felt the way he spoke to a point but...  He knew that he really didn't have a choice and that it wasn't really his decision to make.  

He could have simply let the south have whatever they wanted on condition that they not leave the Union but ... the issue was states rights and the loss of federal power.  

I believe that slavery is a human rights issue and that time would have solved the problem without a war.  Slavery in civilized countries was all but abo;lished by then anyway and the industrial revolution was just around the corner.

The federal government was wrong so far as states rights was concerned.

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that slavery is a human rights issue and that time would have solved the problem without a war.  Slavery in civilized countries was all but abo;lished by then anyway and the industrial revolution was just around the corner.
lazs

I agree. I like the quote simply because it highlights the fact that slavery wasn't Lincoln's primary concern. Maybe it's just me, but it seems that our school system in California seemed to gloss over the civil war. The slavery issue was highlighted (probably because I was in grade school in the 60's and 70's while the civil rights movement wasn't such a distant memory). That, or I wasn't paying attention. Quotes like this didn't find their way to our textbooks, IIRC.

Nowadays, I've learned enough to wonder if Lincoln was indeed right. I'm sure I can get an earful from our brothers in the south on this.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Lizking
You are right, Mt, 1838 to be exact.

The "Clotilde" was the last slave ship to land in Mobile, Alabama.  The slaves were set free to settle an area known as Africa Town, modern day Plateau, about 3 miles north of downtown Mobile.





Les

[midnight Target]

"States Rights" is just spin. Right to keep slaves is what it means. Slavery was the issue and no amount of revisionist BS can change that.