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Offline SmokinSS

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2004, 10:02:35 AM »
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I thought you voulenteered for the armed forces. Nobody (except in wartime) force folks to join, so why would they leave? And when they do decide to "leave", why bother getting them back? They are not motivated enough to be there so they would proly just be a danger to themselves and others.



When you join up you do volunteer but you also sign a contract for a certain length of service. i.e. 2,4,or 6 year hitches. The reasons for going over the wall are widely varied from being home sick to the shock of military discipline.

Why bother getting them back? It is a breach of contract. If a person joins up and gets to IET and decides that is not the life for them take it through the COC. When I was in IET we had a guy do this and eventually got out but I don't know what type of discharge he recieved.

Robert

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2004, 11:35:46 AM »
i understand the cotract thing, but is it really good for the army to have someone that is not 100% motivated?.....forcing someone because of a contract they signed is hardly good motivation to perform well.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2004, 11:41:49 AM »
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i understand the cotract thing, but is it really good for the army to have someone that is not 100% motivated?.....forcing someone because of a contract they signed is hardly good motivation to perform well.


Hi Nilsen. The truth of the matter is that up until a few years ago, nobody joined with the expectation that war would happen on their watch. Even now, there would be very few folks who would deploy if given the choice. In other words, most of the soldiers etc over there at this moment are simply counting down the days until they can return home. It's normal. Overall, there are alot of people who are counting the days until the expiration of their current contract as well.

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2004, 04:42:11 PM »
VOR,

  I always counted the days til we returned state side when we deployed. No matted where we went it was never as good as the states to me (no offence intended to anyone). We only stayed a week in Panama during Just Cause but even then we counted the days or at least I did.

Nilsen,

  The way I look at it and I am wrong very often is that holding up your end of a contract that you will fully entered is just part of growing up. Most recruits in the military are 17 to 21 years old and for some the hardest thing they ever did was cut the grass at home. When I joined I knew it was going to suck but most everything that builds character does in one way or another. Some people just cannot or will not take responsibility for thier own actions. That is part of the code of conduct and is covered in the oath if I remember correctly.

  I guess what I am trying to say is if the military just lets them go without making them take responsibility then what have they learned? If they get away with this what will they try in the future?

  I hope I haven't rambled while writing this and it makes a little sense.

  Have a great weekend all.

  Robert

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2004, 05:04:59 PM »
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 I guess what I am trying to say is if the military just lets them go without making them take responsibility then what have they learned? If they get away with this what will they try in the future?

  I hope I haven't rambled while writing this and it makes a little sense.

  Have a great weekend all.

  Robert


It makes sence, but should teaching those "kids" a lesson endanger their fellow troops?... because they will if they are not motivated. I agree that there should be somekind of punishment for breaking the contract, but the punishment should be prison or fines. "making" them go back to thier unit is just gonna endangerthose troops that are willing and able. just my opinion tho .

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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2004, 02:13:49 PM »
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Overall, there are alot of people who are counting the days until the expiration of their current contract as well.


2 days and counting .....!  :)