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Offline Toad

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« on: June 09, 2004, 09:19:21 AM »
First we had:

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SEOUL, South Korea — The United States wants to withdraw a third of its 37,000 troops from South Korea by the end of next year, U.S. and South Korean officials said Monday as the two countries discussed plans for repositioning soldiers along the Cold War's last frontier.


Before you can stop rejoicing over that, we get THIS present:

Pentagon Wants to Reduce Troops in Germany

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The Pentagon has advised Germany that as part of a global shifting of U.S. military forces, it wants to withdraw its two Army divisions and replace them with fewer, lighter, more mobile troops....


...The two divisions in Germany are the 1st Armored and the 1st Infantry. They would be returned to the United States under the Pentagon plan although it was unclear where...


Sweet news for a guy like me that is basically isolationist.
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2004, 09:53:37 AM »
Redployment on active service you know where if you ask me - makes sense though.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2004, 10:09:42 AM »
after the cold war, germany is used as a army depot, but since
the frontlines gone that far (middle east) it looks like army stations
in germany doesent pay off now. I still wonder some are still here! ;)

They discussing to move the divisions closer to the middle east, but
thats nothing really new.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2004, 10:17:32 AM »
Looks like some EU/SK defense budgets are going to have to be recalculated soon... :aok

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2004, 10:23:01 AM »
it sure is refreshing to hear good news for a change.  a guy could get used to news like this.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2004, 10:35:15 AM »
US is having shortage of troops there where those are needed :D
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2004, 01:27:57 PM »
Here read this again:

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The two divisions in Germany are the 1st Armored and the 1st Infantry. They would be returned to the United States under the Pentagon plan although it was unclear where...


Undoubtedly, they would rotate overseas along with the rest of our troops but when they went over I'm pretty sure some would be coming back in turn.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2004, 01:51:30 PM by Toad »
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2004, 02:11:48 PM »
It's interesting that it's a reduction of long term deployments.  But I guess it's doesn't make sense to reduce short term deployments as the troops are still needed.

My concern is that one might be lead to believe that the current administration is, on the whole, for reducing deployments in general.  

And the numbers don't seem to back up that point-of-view.

Currently there are about 250,000 deployed active US military personel out of some 500,000 on active duty (I don't know how many of those are deployable).

More info here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/global-deployments.htm

In regards to the 12,700 US soldiers that are being reployed from South Korea, the South Korean foreign minister said that 4,000 are being redeployed to Iraq.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/040517/afp/040517071643asiapacificnews.html

But he could be full of ****.


In regards to the German redeployment, I would like to know exactly what "fewer" means.  That story seems to be still developing.


For what it's worth, I certainly would like to see the US save treasure from these deployments and be able to spend some more funding to intelligence services and boarder security.  As I believe that the first responsibility of a government is to protect the freedoms of it's citizens.
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2004, 02:22:31 PM »
Hey, a trend has to start somewhere. That's what this is, a start.

I hope they put the two German divisions on the Arizona/New Mexico/Mexican border.

As for Iraq, I wouldn't be a bit suprised if all of these troops eventually spend some time in Iraq. It'd most likely be as a troop redeployment/rotation but it could just be as additional troops.

The good news there is that we KNOW they'll be leaving Iraq someday. Even the interim Iraqi government has said they will want us to clear out eventually. As it should be.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2004, 02:40:19 PM »
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Hey, a trend has to start somewhere. That's what this is, a start.


Yep.


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I hope they put the two German divisions on the Arizona/New Mexico/Mexican border.


I completely agree with you in principle, if not methodology.  I think that illegal immigration may be a bigger threat to the US than even terrorism, if only for fact that nothing seems to be being done about it.


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The good news there is that we KNOW they'll be leaving Iraq someday. Even the interim Iraqi government has said they will want us to clear out eventually. As it should be.


I was thinking the same thing.  At then end of the day compare the dollar cost of what seems like it's going to be a relatively short deployment to Iraq, compared to another 50-60 years of maintainnig the current troop levels in South Korea and Germany.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2004, 02:41:11 PM »
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I hope they put the two German divisions on the Arizona/New Mexico/Mexican border.


We invade Mexico in the Spring!
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2004, 02:45:03 PM »
No, we STOP the Mexican invasion next Spring!  ;)

Thrawn, it's not about dollars with me. If they were needed, I'd cheerfully pay.

I don't feel they're needed.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2004, 02:46:50 PM »
NON-PC JOKE WARNING


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We invade Mexico in the Spring!



Texas could do it for us and just claim ignorance.

"Hell, we thought it was vacant.  Weren't nobody home but the help."
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2004, 02:54:24 PM »
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Thrawn, it's not about dollars with me. If they were needed, I'd cheerfully pay.

I don't feel they're needed.



I was being callous, but a very real concern for me is wether or not the US, as whole, can afford to pay.
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2004, 03:02:27 PM »
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Currently there are about 250,000 deployed active US military personel out of some 500,000 on active duty (I don't know how many of those are deployable).
 


You must be talking about the US Army, there are considerably more than 500,000 active duty US military personnel. Will look it up.


Here ya go: http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/military/rg0404.pdf
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