BoB Skins

[Tilt]

Firstly we can give no guarantee that we will be able to use them (all) but it would be neat if the up coming bob scenario (presently planned to take place as an AH2 scenario)had the right skins to put to HTC for consideration

Here are some of the squads/ gruppen under consideration

RAF

Spitfire mk1's

610, 266, 64, 152 squadrons

Hurricane mk1's

501, 56, 43, 145, 83, 303, 238.

LW  

Bf109E

I/JG2, I/JG3, I/JG26, II/JG27, I/JG52, II/JG52, I/JG53, IIJG53, I/JG54, II/JG54

I./EG210

BF110 C

I/ZG26, I/ZG2, I./EG210

JU88

TBA


any takers?

[Batz]

Has your OOB been confirmed? I posted in the BoB forum I will do a JG 2 109E4.

We need confirmation from Ht or Pyro that the 15 skin limit doesnt apply to scenarios.

Here's the post I made on the BoB forum..

ordi,

fyi... I am going to do a Jagdgeschwader 2 109E-4. Let the map makers / skinners know.

Probrably Helmut Wicks E4

These are the actual LW Fighter Units (single and twin eng) in the rl BoB

Can you confirm which you are going to use.

Fighter Units:

Jagdgeshwader 2
Jagdgeschwader 3
Jagdgeschwader 26
Jagdgeschwader 27
Jagdgeschwader 51
Jagdgeschwader 52
Jagdgeschwader 53
Jagdgeschwader 54
Jagdgeschwader 77
Lehrgeschwader 2

110 Units:

Zerstoerergeschwader 2
Zerstoerergeschwader 26
Zerstoerergeschwader 76
Lehrgeschwader 1
Erpobungsgruppe 210 (Jabo; they also had an assortment of 109s)

[Batz]

Since there are 10 109 Units, could we just use the 10 actually Geschwaders rather then individual Gruppen?

There's a wider variety of skins to chose from that way....

[Tilt]

I dont think skins are part of the map as per AH1............... they are a generic cache hence if we were able to get 10 skins  accepted they would be available in all arenas and terrains.

[Replicant]

AH Hurricane Mk.I is already skinned as a 501 Sqn plane.

AH Spitfire Mk.I is skinned as 603 Sqn (not in your list).


To assist in trying to identify which squadron has which codes I've compiled the following list.  It's much easier to search for photos/prints by squadron code methinks!  # indicates individual letter required for airframe.

83 Sqn wasn't a Hurricane Squadron, I assume you misprinted and meant 85 Sqn?

Spitfire Mk.I

64 (Fighter) Sqn - RAF - Code: SH-#

152 (Hyderbad) Sqn - RAF - Code: UM-#

266 (Rhodesia) Sqn - RAF - Code: UO-#

610 (County of Chester) Sqn - RAuxAF - Code: DW-#

Hurricane Mk.I

43 (China British) Sqn - RAF - Code: FT-#

56 (Punjab) Sqn - RAF - Code: US-#

85 (Fighter) Sqn - RAF - Code: VY-#

145 (Fighter) Sqn - RAF - Code: SO-#

238 (Fighter) Sqn - RAF - Code: VK-#

303 (Warsaw Koscisco) Sqn - RAF (Polish) - Code: RF-#
(also have it as Kosciusko)

501 (County of Gloucester) Sqn - RAuxAF - Code: SD-N already modelled in AH.

[Replicant]

Tilt, I have all the WW2 era RAF Squadron crests for all of those squadrons if they're of any use?

[Batz]

Originally posted by Tilt
I dont think skins are part of the map as per AH1............... they are a generic cache hence if we were able to get 10 skins  accepted they would be available in all arenas and terrains.

I understand that skins arent a part of the map as in AH1, but does the SEA run on a separate server? If so would the 10 109e4 skins needed for BoB also apply to the main?

If they do could the "event" skins be "temporarily" loaded for the duration of an event?

For BoB I don’t think there’s much of an issue in regards to Spit 1s, Hurri 1s and 109s etc. Most skins of these aircraft would in fact be BoB.

With the 109s at least there’s a greater variety of schemes so that redundancy doesn’t become an issue. But in the case of the Hurri or Spit most of the differences are in the markings rather then the camo / color.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by Batz
We need confirmation from Ht or Pyro that the 15 skin limit doesnt apply to scenarios.

I'm pretty sure I said this in another thread, but the same custom skins work across all arenas.  The SEA doesn't get its own set of custom skins.

[Grits]

Do we really expect to have more than 15 skins for the E-4? I dont see that limit being reached any time soon.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Grits
Do we really expect to have more than 15 skins for the E-4? I dont see that limit being reached any time soon.

If it comes down to a flood of BoB skins... I think there will be room:

HurriMk1/SpitMk1/109E4/110c4b

3-4 BoB
3-4 Eastern Front
3-4 Mediterranean
3   Finnish (Hurricane)

dunno, it could work for the SEA.  Lots of talented skinners on the CM team, we could fill it up

[Grits]

Right, I agree with you, there are plenty of great candidates for E-4 skins. Since I fly the CT I get to fly the pre-'44 planes a lot and I'd love to have skins for all the early birds. I was just wondering if the concern about the 15 skin limit before we even have one other than the default was getting the cart before the horse.

[Replicant]

Originally posted by Octavius
If it comes down to a flood of BoB skins... I think there will be room:

HurriMk1/SpitMk1/109E4/110c4b

3-4 BoB
3-4 Eastern Front
3-4 Mediterranean
3   Finnish (Hurricane)

dunno, it could work for the SEA.  Lots of talented skinners on the CM team, we could fill it up

Not sure about the Eastern Front Spitfire Mk.I but didn't the Eastern Front Hurricane Mk.I have 4 x .50s replacing the 8 x .303s?  If that's the case I'd sooner not see any since the guns wouldn't be modelled.

[Batz]

Pyro,

You did give an answer in the linked thread in that all skins will be available across all arenas.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117333&highlight=skin

But I don’t recall seeing a reply to the specific question as to whether the 15 limit would apply to scenario skins. For instance even if they were used just for the duration of the event.

I take it that it does by your reply above.

The next question would be in related to redundancy.

For instance the 7 Hurri Squadrons being used in BoB. They will have the same color / camo pattern but with different markings.

Would these 7 skins fall under "redundancy" and most be rejected on that basis?

Grits,

No there wont be 15 BoB skins. That’s not the issue. If there are 10 109es done for BoB then there’s only 5 left for other skinners in other theaters.

Like the issue of "redundancy" with the Hurri the same might apply to the 109e.

The reason I have these questions is I can turn out quite a few myself and am wondering should I do unit specific skins for certain groups or a few generic skins (Historic camo / colors less the markings) that can be used for most of the groups.

TIA

[Grits]

Originally posted by Batz
No there wont be 15 BoB skins. That’s not the issue. If there are 10 109es done for BoB then there’s only 5 left for other skinners in other theaters.

OK, I misunderstood you, I see what you are saying now.

[ramzey]

dead line for skins?

btw i think samw way as Batz, but its not good for HTC bandwich;) force all players to replace skins all the time. Its cost...