Author Topic: Nobody can tell me... (Read 7029 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #270 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:00:11 PM »

Toad, I think we have both made our points understood and are not likley to agree. The thread has run it's course and is getting redundant. Can we agree to let the thread die now?

for your time and thanks for keeping it civil, as you always do.

I'll stay out of the thread now, I have nothing more to add really.

Toad · « **Reply #271 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:07:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
It really has nothing to do with anybody here.

Well at least for those who don't vote for the POTUS.

Toad · « **Reply #272 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:09:29 PM »

Nuke, I'm always willing to join in civil discourse.

Before you go, I would like you to answer that last question though.

You and I both know how easily a politician can spend someone else's money. I suggest to you they can spend someone else's son almost as easily and with as little thought.

How would you feel if it was your son? If for all of your tomorrows you were going to feel the pang of his loss?

Is what we've accomplished worth his life? Was it necessary?

For myself, the answer would clearly be "no".

How about you?

Nash · « **Reply #273 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:14:06 PM »

Yeah Nuke... I'm kinda interested too.

Take a sec, and imagine your son died over there.

Then take another sec, and fit that into the overall picture of what's going on in Iraq... of what is accomplished, finally.

I'm as interested as Toad in your answer.

Toad, AFAIK, the SC had zero to do with this war... nada.

If anything, this should concern one who thinks the SC is the sole power in the land.

Toad · « **Reply #274 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:19:12 PM »

Nice try, Nash.

We could start another entire thread about my theory of the SC's role in the US government and the evolution of our society if you like.

I suppose Apathy could/would make the case that the SC "getting away with" its decision led directly to this war.

However, that's not really this thread now is it?

You say discussing this has nothing to do with anyone here. I disagree. My reply is that it does for those who are involved in helping pick the next POTUS. Just a few US citizens turning the issues round and round and talking about them. Nothing for you here... might as well move along. Or do you think this war isn't a US election issue?

Nash · « **Reply #275 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:24:44 PM »

Lol, trying to shut me up due to this being "an election issue" when in fact your election is a consistent reccurrence that now happens to fall during a military occupation of international proportions that could very well last for 20 years.

Do you reckon the world ought to shut up during this 20 year period just because you guys are having an election or two?

shreck that.

Stick to guns and that argument would serve you better.

Meddle on the international stage and I say wotevah the shreck I want.

NUKE · « **Reply #276 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:25:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Nuke, I'm always willing to join in civil discourse.

Before you go, I would like you to answer that last question though.

You and I both know how easily a politician can spend someone else's money. I suggest to you they can spend someone else's son almost as easily and with as little thought.

How would you feel if it was your son? If for all of your tomorrows you were going to feel the pang of his loss?

Is what we've accomplished worth his life? Was it necessary?

For myself, the answer would clearly be "no".

How about you?

My answer is: No life is "worth" losing for any reason. In war there is always death and I do not believe we went to war giving little thought to American lives on the line. What I personally feel is that I hope I never have to have anyone I know die for any war.

What we have accomplished speaks for itself in my opinion, but like I said, I think we both made our points many times now.

~~Toad, I wanted to answer you and now I hope this thread will die.~~

Nash · « **Reply #277 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:42:21 PM »

btw Toad, the 1st half of your post argues for things that, as you say in the same sentence, have nothing to do with this thread.

So okay...

But the 2nd half? That was retarded, my friend. And speaking as a friend, it looked like a last ditch effort. Because when you stop debating and start pulling the rug from under your opponent's *right* to even debate in the first place, yer sunk.

Especially when you do it by way of saying it has to do with picking the next POTUS... which you don't really do. And especially when it comes to international affairs, which you seem to think the Iraq war is exempt from.

Toad · « **Reply #278 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:26:13 PM »

Not trying to shut you up at all. Just disagreeing with you as usual.]

It really has nothing to do with anybody here.

YOU were the one saying the war has nothing to do with anyone here, which is obviously wrong.

Some of us are going to vote on whether Bush should continue on as POTUS. I'd say that has something to do with the war. Disagree all you like, post all you like. Just because YOU aren't votnig doesn't mean it has nothing to do with those of us that are voting. You're just wrong with that statement.

As for you last post, try it again in English or something. I have no idea what point you're trying to make there as I have never, ever suggested anyone here has no "right" to post their opinion.

Either I'm not writing clearly or you're in a different astral plane when you read what I wrote.

Toad · « **Reply #279 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:31:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Nothing for you here... might as well move along.

Ah, perhaps this? In reply to your:

We're just cheerleading it on or making arses of ourselves by questioning it. It really has nothing to do with anybody here.

I guess that's just my way of pointing out that if this discussion bores you, you might as well go find somewhere else to sling some kerosene.

Seems that's what you enjoy most.

Nash · « **Reply #280 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:37:47 PM »

Bulchit.

And marks for the "astral plane" garbage.

And you are the worst possible spokesman for this.

If Kerry wanted this fiasco of a war, yet was going to nominate SC Judges to your liking, you would vote for him. You won't deny that.

And we would still have this war. And Martha Stewart would still go to jail. And Roe v Wade would still get kicked around 20 years from now.

You "disagree with me as usual" because a year + ago we had way opposing views on this war and fought about it. You've now come around, but it was your hypocracy then and it is your hypocracy now that bugs me.

Trying to do the Rude "outsider" routine has never seemed other than parting rounds of the routed.

Steve · « **Reply #281 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:39:28 PM »

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regime with comparatively dubious ties to terrorism has

what's dubious about paying off the families of suicide bombers?

Nice try, liberal spin attempt DENIED

Nash · « **Reply #282 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:45:45 PM »

Steve, if yer so interested in that angle, why don't you take a glance at who those phat 25g checks were made out TO....

You know, the guys who actually kill people with those bombs.

Are they doing it for money? If we wipe on the financial backing we'll have peace?

Right...

So if that's such a big deal, why aren't the actual BOMBERS getting invaded?

Steve · « **Reply #283 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:50:59 PM »

Let me get this straight, since suicide bombers wouldn't be completed erased, since terrorist training camps in Iraq can be built elsewhere we shouldn't do anything?

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Oh, and that 800+(tens of thousands) are no longer around to see it go down.

What tens of thousands?

How many Iraqis' would have died to Hussein and his thugs in the last year if he was in power?

You are overtly supporting the activities of Hussein's government by saying we shouldn't have gone there. You do know that thousands were being raped, tortured, and murdered every month by Hussein's govt right?

Wait! Let me guess, the rape rooms, prisons and mass burial sites, along w/ countless testimonies are all propaganda right? Saddam was a fine, peaceful ruler and Bush made it all up.

Steve · « **Reply #284 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:55:09 PM »

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But that wasn't the mission was it? WMD was the mission

It was not the sole reason no. Certainly it was the major reason and I am as disappointed as anyone that more WMD has not been found. The possiblity also exists that we are not being told everything. I'm not postulating that this is my opinion.. just that it's possible.