UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

[lada]

btw did you see this Iron ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3801187.stm

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Pongo
Wow!
If true this demonstrates just how patheticlly some people want to justify the invasion of Iraq.

Its interesting news, thats why it was posted.

You see, those of us that supported the action arent all that interested in "justifying" it to you.  You dont count for much.  

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKIron
Therein is clear evidence that Iraq (likely very recently) removed these weapons without documenting it.

"Iraq" didn't remove these weapons.  It happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed and the country was  under CPA authority.  Perhaps the site was destroyed by Iraqi or foreign insurgents or terrorists, but it happened while Iraq was under coalition control, not Bathist.

Check the dates on the satelite photos.  May 28, 2003 (27 days after Bush stated that major combat was ended, the storage site and scrap are still there.  Feb 22, 2004 the site is demolished and scrap is gone.  

This proves that Iraq resisted the destruction of the required weapons until they realized their hand was about to be forced.

Not according to UNMOVIC briefing as I have explained above.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Thrawn
"Iraq" didn't remove these weapons.  It happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed and the country was  under CPA authority.  Perhaps the site was destroyed by Iraqi or foreign insurgents or terrorists, but it happened while Iraq was under coalition control, not Bathist.

Check the dates on the satelite photos.  May 28, 2003 (27 days after Bush stated that major combat was ended, the storage site and scrap are still there.  Feb 22, 2004 the site is demolished and scrap is gone.  




Not according to UNMOVIC briefing as I have explained above.

So, according to what you are saying, the site was there when SH was in power, but since we've been there has been looted and shipped out?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Thrawn
"Iraq" didn't remove these weapons.  It happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed and the country was  under CPA authority.  Perhaps the site was destroyed by Iraqi or foreign insurgents or terrorists, but it happened while Iraq was under coalition control, not Bathist.

Check the dates on the satelite photos.  May 28, 2003 (27 days after Bush stated that major combat was ended, the storage site and scrap are still there.  Feb 22, 2004 the site is demolished and scrap is gone.  




Not according to UNMOVIC briefing as I have explained above.

What happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed? The missiles were destroyed and sold as scrap metal? I think that hasn't yet been determined.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by AKIron
What happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed? The missiles were destroyed and sold as scrap metal? I think that hasn't yet been determined.

If thats true, than the missles were there when SH was in power and therfore put him in violation.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKIron
What happened after the Iraqi government was destroyed? The missiles were destroyed and sold as scrap metal? I think that hasn't yet been determined.

You are right, it hasn't been determined.  According to UNMOVIC, UNMOVIC and the US inspection team aren't in communication.  It is possible that missles were destroyed under US monitoring, but if so, no is talking (at least as far as I know).  I'm also not sure in what condition the rocket engins were found.


"If thats true, than the missles were there when SH was in power and therfore put him in violation."

Nah, UNMOVIC were aware of the missles and were monitoring thier destructoin.

[Bodhi]

man...

ole Thrawn and Pongo are going to be at wits end come Bush's reelection...

Can anyone guess their whines?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Iraq launched several missles at kuiwait during the invasion that were prohibited by the UN.

Which what type of missiles and do you have anymore information on times, places?

[Holden McGroin]

KUWAIT CITY/ BAGHDAD, March 29 2003 (Xinhuanet) -- The US-British forces launched a new round of attacks ...

Meanwhile, a short-range missile fired by Iraq struck the biggest shopping mall in Kuwait at around 1:45 a.m. local time (2245GMT Friday) and...

This was the 13th missile launched from Iraq toward Kuwait since the start of the war last week.

This one missile was said to be a Iraqi modified Silkworm and some reports say several of the other 13 were Al Samoud (Iraq modified Scuds)

That's what I found with a Google...

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This one missile was said to be a Iraqi modified Silkworm and some reports say several of the other 13 were Al Samoud (Iraq modified Scuds)

That's what I found with a Google...

There reason I brought this up is because I had heard of the missile attacks, but I have never seen any verification that they were proscribed missiles.  Heck I read one report that Kuwaitis thought that the missile you mentioned might have been an off-course US cruise missile, for what that's worth.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by GScholz
SA-2 missiles were not prohibited, nor were their engines. The Al Samoud missile was not prohibited by the UN before February 2003 a mere month before the war, and they were destroyed under the supervision of UNMOVIC. The weapons launched against Kuwait in the first days of the war were FROG rockets and two CSS-C-3 Seersuckers (not "Silkworm") missiles. Iraqi forces used no prohibited weapons in the war.

Missiles with a range of more than 150km had been prohibited since '91. When the UN discovered these missiles they were then specifically prohibited. However, they were in violation since '91.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/19208.pdf

[AKIron]

Originally posted by GScholz
Why are we going over this again? Do you people really have such incredibly short attention spans?

What's the source of your quote? According to the UN it believed that the Al-Samoud was always capable of a range greater than 150km based on Iraqi flight testing.

From my source:
Al Samoud II (Photo at [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/25/iraq/main541855.shtml])
The Al Samoud II missile is a liquid propellant, vehicle mounted missile that has undergone extensive development and testing since the first Gulf War. The Al Samoud II is estimated to have a payload capacity of 300 kilograms 3 and intelligence sources
believe that up to 50 missiles may already be deployed to units.4 UN weapons inspectors suggested that Iraq’s Al Samoud IIs were in violation of the 93 mile (150 km) range restriction imposed by UNSCR 687 after reviewing Iraqi flight test data.


BTW, this mentions nothing about 1997 but rather indicates it was being tested since the first gulf war.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by GScholz
First flight in 1997.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/missile/ababil.htm

First "declared" flight test.

"Around August 1991, Iraq started a secret project to construct a surface-to-surface missile called "J-1" without notifying the UN Special Commission [UNSCOM] as required by the Security Council resolutions."

But I'll conceded the date as it isn't so relavant to my argument that Iraq made every effort to thwart UN inspectors for 12 years.

[ravells]

How was your trip, Scholz?

Ravs