Author Topic: Director Moore to focus on Blair (Read 2566 times)

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #30 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:02:44 PM »

yes, yes we all know you think he's the devil incarnate however I find it difficult to believe that at this stage Bush will still win - has any sitting Pres won an election in the last 60 years with such a low approval rating? I don't think they have.

It would be ironic if the economy, which is improving apart from the cost of oil, doesn't play a part and it all comes down Iraq.

Nash · « **Reply #31 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:18:40 PM »

The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.

Three things before the election:

1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.

2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.

3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.

So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.

Bodhi · « **Reply #32 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:34:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.

Three things before the election:

1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.

2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.

3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.

So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.

Nash, don't be naive.... do you honestly think that Kerry has it wrapped up? LOL, come on man, the election polls are not accurate till around late October... get real, you are smarter than that.

BTW, I believe I lost either way in our bet, looks like the season is a scrub so far.

Horn · « **Reply #33 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:50:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nash, don't be naive.... do you honestly think that Kerry has it wrapped up? LOL, come on man, the election polls are not accurate till around late October... get real, you are smarter than that.

I think that it's you and the rest of the extreme warmongering right wingers here wearing the beads of naivete--Bush has done a fine job of alienating moderate Republicans such as myself--you can only hope, like Nash says, that "something terrible may happen."

Bush has lopped off a part of the Republican party that supported him against Gore--he's got his work cut out for him to get even close in the election.

With or without a boob like Moore cheerleading.

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Sandman · « **Reply #34 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:54:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
moore is one of those guys that was beat up alot in high school and is now exacting his revenge for self gratification.

It's better than going to school with pipe bombs and guns.

Nash · « **Reply #35 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:55:32 PM »

I honestly do...

The incumbant has the advantage going into these. Yet here, poll numbers being what they are, what do you think is going to turn it around for him?

The three things I mentioned help Kerry.

For example, do you think the undecided are gonna look at the coverage of the Bush convention and say "Wow! Who IS that guy? He's pretty good!". People already know what he's about. The undecideds will get split in two, but my math says that Kerry grabs a larger chunk. I mean, they've had four years to get to know Bush, and yet they still aint sure.

Choosing a running mate nets ya at *least* a state, if not an entire region (the South, for eg.). Kerry's already leading numbers just get bigger - no way around it - just is.

The debates. I'm nervous enough for Bush when he opens his mouth for a no-questions allowed press conference. These debates are prolly gonna shorten the life span of his handlers. The low expectations card is no longer yours to play when you've had four years at the top.

So what am I not factoring in?

muckmaw · « **Reply #36 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:56:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Horn
I think that it's you and the rest of the extreme warmongering right wingers here

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Horn-

I stopped reading anything you wrote right after that stupid sentence.

Way to get someone to listen to your point of view.

muckmaw · « **Reply #37 on:** June 12, 2004, 07:02:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.

Three things before the election:

1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.

2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.

3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.

So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.

1)Disagree...What if he chooses Hillary? There are alot of undecideds that don't like her. What if Bush dumps Cheney and picks up Giuliani as it's being rumored? Still to many variables to say the Veep will give Kerry an automiatic boost.

2) Can only be good for Kerry? Why? Everything he says is going to be gold? He's going to get all the undecideds as soon as he says "Here's my plan?" So far, his only plan is, whatever bush did, I would have done the opposite, after I did it the opposite of that. I dont think this guy has a plan, and the ONLY reason he's getting any votes is, He's NOT Bush. Most people voting for him that I talk to say, I don't really like Kerry, but I hate BUsh. That's the plan?

3) How W do in the Debates against Gore? Well enough to win, apparently. I dont think Kerry is much better, if at all than Gore. Matter of fact, I would have voted for Gore Before Kerry.

Look at it this way.

Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance?

Right. I'm voting for the other guy.

Eagler · « **Reply #38 on:** June 12, 2004, 07:07:27 PM »

wonder if Judas could 've claimed "freedom of speech" at the betrayal ...

storch · « **Reply #39 on:** June 12, 2004, 07:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I guess there will never be a shortage of malcontent morons in the world, always ready to tear down but never contributing anything positive. Moore is right up there with the worst of that ilk.

Hear hear!!

Nash · « **Reply #40 on:** June 12, 2004, 07:20:54 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance?

Right. I'm voting for the other guy.

Too easy...

Basically it's about exposure. That's why the incumbant has the upper hand. The challenger has the summer to grow his share of the electorate enough to surpass that of the incumbant's by the time the election rolls around.

If you're already below the challenger at this point, it's practically game over before it even starts. Because everything that happens now is to the challenger's advantage.

There's no way Kerry would pick Hillary. It's just too much of a science now that I doubt you'll see the kind of Mondale type inspirational choices being made any time soon. There are pretty hard numbers that come attached with each potential VP that do not get ignored. If Hillary DOES get picked, it would be because it's the numerically wise thing to do - so it's not a loss either way.

The debates.... Yer average person doesn't hear a single thing they say. All they use the debates for is to see if the guy talking looks presidential. It's as simple as a "Yeah, I could see him as a president." That's barring any glaring faux pas though... thus the edge has to go to Kerry here.

Kerry doesn't need to spout gold. He just needs more people to hear whatever it is he does say. Those people will be split up between the two candidates, but since Kerry is already more popular he takes the bigger peice of the pie.

Anyways, I may be full of crap, but that's how I see it anyway. What I would be curious to hear is what you think it will take for an already trailing Bush to win.

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** June 12, 2004, 07:46:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
take for an already trailing Bush to win.

Off the top of my head a combo of some of these. More than one, less than all:

McCain as Veep.

Gas prices down in the $1.50 range.

Continued job growth ~250,000 a month, which they've been getting for a few months.

Stock market bounce near 11K, newly "rich" investors buying some big ticket toys in at a steady pace.

Capture Osama.

Iraqis tearfully waving "bye-bye" (some gestures of gratitude anyway) as US troopers leave. Not all of them, just a good start on reducing the troops.

That's just on the Bush side.

There's always the chance that Kerry can seem even more insipid and uninspiring between now and November too. I'm sure he has a few skeletons in his closet, all pols do. They're keeping Kerry's wife under tight wraps too... there's a good reason for that. He has to hope she doesn't slip the leash.

Nash · « **Reply #42 on:** June 12, 2004, 08:01:56 PM »

Yeah those makes sense...

I really don't think low gas prices or a climbing job market will do anything. Just a gut feeling. I think a president needs to point back to at least a solid couple of years of these things. Saying "Hey voters, lookit we've had a few good months here." almost highlights how lousy the previous 45 were.

It's now Kerry's race to lose and he'll need to really blow it. I don't see that happening.

I think it's gotta be something to do with Iraq, Osama and terror in order for Bush to come back.

Kinda like a Spain scenario, but in reverse. Terrorists are coming into the mainstream it seems like.... they're a bona fide factor in the election decisions of free nations. Whodda thunk?

"Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance? Right. I'm voting for the other guy."

muckmaw · « **Reply #43 on:** June 12, 2004, 08:06:16 PM »

What will help Bush?

Simple...

Exposure of the facts, which I'm sure the Bush camp is already planning.

Make John Q. Moron aware that the economy that he is so worried about is actually really cruising.

Maybe the average schmuck will stop watching wheel of fortune long enough to read a financial newspaper.

You people do not realize how smart you really are. Even the liberals whom we debate on this board are very intelligent people.

You realize most people in this country don't even know who the Secretary of State is?

Anyway, it comes down to Bush getting the message of his successes out.

Show all the good things happening in Iraq.

Show the prosperous economy.

Make the undecided idiot aware of how good he actually has is and why he should not vote for Ted Kennedy's Biatch.

Simple as that. I may be dumb, but this is how I see it.

4 years of Dubya. I'm safe. I'm prosperous. I'm healthy and happy. I'm voting for him again.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #44 on:** June 12, 2004, 08:12:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.

Three things before the election:

1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.

2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.

3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.

So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.

Ok, now that we know how both a Kerry supporter and a Bush supporter view this list, lets look at it from an Independant viewer's perspective.

1.) The running mate either helps him more or hurts him more. I cant imagine him picking a running mate that would hurt him, so lets assume his choice is 'acceptable' and move on. VP doesnt mean anything anyway.

2.) The Convention is not important. I already know Bush. What do you have to say Mr. Kerry? I havent heard all that much yet.

3.) Debates are fun, and we all know Bush isnt exactly slick with the words, but have we even heard Kerry speak, yet? Nah, not really. We know he thinks Bush is bad... but why? We know he thinks he can do better... but why... and more importantly, how? We've had four years to approve or disapprove of Bush, yet Kerry's polls seem to go up the longer he is out of the spotlight and not saying anything. When he's forced to speak, will we hear the same old "Bush is t3h bad?" or will we get some substance beyond "I believe in the people of this country." Time will tell.

Kerry is going to be forced into delivering something of substance sooner than later and Im willing to predict that there is a reason the cameras dont follow him around everywhere; Bush may not speak well, but his words are acceptable - Kerry may speak slightly better, but his words get him into trouble. He'll shoot himself in teh foot ala Dean on more than one occassion, I garauntee. Whether or not the media gives those mistakes much play, of course, is out of our hands.

Author Topic: Director Moore to focus on Blair (Read 2566 times)

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