What Colonel Gabreski said about the P40

[Flyboy]

i fail to see the purpose of this thread.

[Hades55]

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Another large user of the P-40 was the Soviet VVS. Interestingly, although favoured by USSR pilots, Josef Stalin himself opted for Bell P-39 over P-40 as "more suited for combat against German fighters." On what grounds his opinion was based remains a mystery.
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No mystery to me: P-39 had a cannon. VVS believed a fighter was worthless without one. <<<<-------


Soviets wanted Cobra (P-39) for his turning ability at low alts and his 37mm.
They say was turning better than any me-109.

The P-39 is a big miss for AH and i think it must be from the first
new crafts wich must come in AHII together with the Bristol Beaufighter.

Another not so known american *spitfire* turning devil was the
P-36. Had fight in ETO and had take off and fight in Pearl Harbor).
Also a *must have it* in AH.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i fail to see the purpose of this thread.

Look at the dates.  It was started prior to the introduction of the P40.

MiniD

[Urchin]

And for all the hue and cry about "Having to have a P40".. nobody much flies em.

[Zanth]

P40B needs an ENY of like 100!  lol

[jodgi]

Originally posted by Zanth
P40B needs an ENY of like 100!  lol

I agree, lol.

It would need a much higher ENY to (gamewise) make up for it's relative poor performance.

[fluffy]

I was surprised at how effective the P40 was a few weeks back. There was a map in the MA with a central island that only had early war planes enabled.  I found that in that environment the P40 was deadly. I flew it in B&Z mode and knocked down A6Ms, SpitVs, 109s and F4Fs with the 6x.50 guns and survived. Doubt I could repeat that in AHII, but the experience proved to me that aircraft has great value in the right context.   Stocky Edwards, who became an ace flying tomahawks in N.Africa, described the plane as requiring a lot work to fly, such as needing much aileron trimming to prevent it from rolling in a dive. He liked the 6x.50s though, and put his to good use.  Later he moved to Spitfire squadrons and rhapsodized about the spitfire, saying "Only a pilot who has flown the Curtiss Tomahawk can really appreciate how beautiful the spit was to fly". He had certainly earned the right to say that.

[BUG_EAF322]

Is a Volkswagen Beetle half the car of a Porche 911? Not in my opinion. Two entirely different machines for entirely different people.

still very close the beetle was designed by Ferdinand Porsche as a peoples car.

All first porsches(jr) where actually based on the volkswagen beetles chassis with the beetles aircooled flat four engine.

the concept always remained the same flat aircooled engine in the back with the porsche(sr) designed torsion suspension.

The 911 is the highperformance evoluated car born out of the beetle.

can't help it

this doesn't mean a beetle is slow coz there some ugraded ones running around.
they run like porsches

[Apeboy]

People mock what they do not understand....

P-40, best_plane_evar.

-Apeboy

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e
I had the pleasure of meeting Colonel F Gabreski about two years ago at the WB 2000 con in North Carolina. I bought his autobiography, and he signed it for me. What a nice gentleman he was. He gave us an address which lasted about 30 minutes, in which he described his WW2 service in the P47.

He also talked about some other planes. Of the P40, he said "You know, that wasn't much of a plane", gently shaking his head.

If that were the case, then the P40 was certainly well modelled in WB. What a piece of crap. I flew one only because the rolling plane set (RPS) offered a very limited choice in the early war. It was P40 or Spit1a, replete with peashooters. (Couple that with iENs crappy connections, and you might as well stay in bed)

I wonder if the AH P40 will be any better. Probably, as most of the planes are better in AH than they were in WB. But I fail to be inspired by the current wave of excitement about the P40.

In the PTO, the P-40 was looked upon quite favorably.  There were a few squadrons that transitioned to the P-47 from the P-40 and the pilots tried to get the USAAC to switch them back to the P-40 since it was far more suitable to the type of combat they were facing in the PTO.

Maybe Gabreski's opinion was based on his experiences flying in the ETO.



ack-ack

[streakeagle]

Originally posted by Urchin
And for all the hue and cry about "Having to have a P40".. nobody much flies em.

I have flown them quite a bit... when I have been able to fly. I finished school and got married. I also flew primarily in the CT once it became available. I have recently been flying the P-40B in the AH2 beta when I have time to fly online.

Some people seem to think everything should revolve around the people gaming the game in the MA. If all this game had was Ta-152s, Tempests, F4U-4s, and Spitfire MkIVs, I wouldn't even want to play it at all.

For some people, this is less a game and more a sim. IMHO, it is much more fun to fly historical matchups such as Bf109E vs Spitfire I/Hurricane I, Bf109F/Fw190A vs Spitfire V, F4F vs A6M2, F6F vs A6M5 etc. However AH still lacks the Japanese aircraft required to properly simulate the AVG's enemies.

It is understandable that most people don't fly early war aircraft in the MA. Most people seem to get their kicks maximizing their scores. But should other people who rarely care about score be denied their source of fun just because they are a minority?

IMHO, HTC has done a pretty good job of providing a mix of late war monsters for gaming the game while offering a diverse range of aircraft for those who prefer otherwise. The only problem is that developing AH2 froze the planeset. I dearly miss the chance to fly 3 or 4 new aircraft every 2 or 3 months.