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Offline WilldCrd

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« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2004, 11:03:39 AM »
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My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done.  Infact it wouldn't suprise me if there are less bugs in AH2 than AH1. After aprox 16 months with out a release , most people do not know that AHI's last release had 4 patches to fix bugs, Then somthing like the TBM issue in AHI was not even know about until almost a year after release.

And I would realy like to thank all the beta tester for giving us the feed back we needed to make AH2 2.00 .

Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.


HiTEch



Fun cool stuff??? hehehe can hardly wait!!! WTG on AH2 BTW :cool:
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« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2004, 11:07:16 AM »
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i hear that those who hear somthing and take it as fact without having any experience or insight into what they are hearing are mearly trying to reinforce their own dillusions or opinions upon which they have already made decisions about and are grasping for evidence to reinforce their unsubstantiated beliefs that in essense have no substance whatsoever.


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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2004, 12:10:36 PM »
Kweassa, Hajo, very well said both of you! Couldn't agree more!
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2004, 03:30:08 PM »
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umm maybe because they couldnt run it in beta either??? Personally, ive known since the 1st beta i wasnt gonna be around for ah2...


 Now in your case, I'd say that really is unfortunate. By some twisted fate your machine specs may have been so crappy that it cannot handle AH2.

 However, I'm not exactly running a state-of-the-art machine here also. It's basically one~two years behind the latest 'tech curve' in PC specs suitable for games of nowadays - I haven't had an upgrade in machinery for 3 years, and it still handles AH2 just as it handled AH1. So, if my machine spec is behind the tech curve by 2~3 years, geez, it's definately time to get a new machine, don't you think?

 However, most of the 'complaints' here TW, basically has nothing to do with actual bugs, or running the system - none of them has any basis so far in my opinion.

 They all confuse a matter of taste with matter of playability. They also confuse their own personal dislikes, with inherent game faults.

 Don't do that folks. It makes people laugh. We've had months to adapt and prepare with the beta, what it will offer, how things will change and evolve. What kind of technical problems one may face, what kind of specs he might need and etc etc etc... it's all been discussed among us.

 Basically the long run of more than 30 beta versions have clearly hinted on us on what we could expect and what we should prepare. It's what we've been discussing in the Beta Forums all along.

 And, in the Day1 of AH2, people log in, play for 30 minutes, and start crapping on how he don't like icons, how the FMs  strange, how the clipboard is porked and yakyakyakyakyakyak.

 Gosh, we have an ancient saying which goes;

"beating the drums when the song's already over"

 ... Like I said, where were you guys when beta was on?

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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2004, 03:31:55 PM »
Ok, can we get one thing straight. EVEN THOUGH IT DOSEN'T HAVE BETA NEXT TO ITS NAME, DOSEN'T MEAN ITS BUG FREE. This dosen't apply to anyone in the thread really but I looked through the forums and people seem to think just because it dosen't have beta next to its name it going to be perfect. I think the worst complaints are AH should stay around longer. Everyone knows why people say this because their pc can't run AH2. And if not that dosen't apply to you. O, yeah guess what NEWS FLASH THIS ISN'T A BOX GAME. HTC DOES NOT HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO TEST THIS SO IT CAN BE BUG FREE BEFORE IT GOES LIVE. I also see people say this is so buggy and is a step down from AH. Well I guess I'll call it a prequeal then. For the people who think I need to settle down. Well I can't because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and someone pissed in my corn flakes this morning and I think its the midget under my bed who did it. Can you catch a midget with a mouse trap? Rat trap? Wonder if they like cheese?

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« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2004, 03:38:47 PM »
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Maybe one way to figure out when the beta is ready could be to compare how many people are playing in free open beta of AH2 and how many are still at AH1 arena.

The few times I logged on to either of these during past week, there were always more players in AH1..... I really wonder why?

I dont know really, but would it not be a better moment for a switch when there are more players in AH2 than in AH1?

... just wondering...


As to numbers....Seems reasonable, but with with some stipulations - first AHII scoring "didn't count" and secondly, not everyone had the bandwidth (or the desire) to keep up with the updates.

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« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2004, 03:57:36 PM »
Speaking in general terms, keeping an old version of a program alive in service with the new one side-by-side, is the worst choice an on-line contents provider can make.

 It has nothing to do with any sort of judgement - whether or not a certain new version of a game is better, the people will always stick to where more people are. Come into beta, fly for a while, note to self "hmmm.. cool!!" - and then go play AH1. That's usually the pattern.

 Was the same thing for me, until the last month where more than 60 people constantly started showing up the BA. Then I finally quit AH1 MA and got rid of AH1 from my system, and stayed with AH2 all along. It's basically a scenario of frontier-jumpers and lagging-behinders.  Some people jump at newest established stuff, others mingle to the old one as long as they can.

 As Machiavelli said, if you want to do something which may hurt, its better to do all of the required actions at once, rather than drag along unfinished business along the sidelines.

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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2004, 04:20:16 PM »
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Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.


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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2004, 09:08:31 PM »
Basically some people just hate change , so instead of spending time in the ma and learning the new FM , they spend it i here typin ...hehe   38

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« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2004, 12:01:52 AM »
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My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done.  Infact it wouldn't suprise me if there are less bugs in AH2 than AH1. After aprox 16 months with out a release , most people do not know that AHI's last release had 4 patches to fix bugs, Then somthing like the TBM issue in AHI was not even know about until almost a year after release.

And I would realy like to thank all the beta tester for giving us the feed back we needed to make AH2 2.00 .

Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.


HiTEch

 WTG HT, ignore, as much as you can the naysayers
 most of them (not all ) are newbies( as in the last year) and have no clue of the constant improvement and development that will be ongoing.
  I say let 'em stew, they'll thank ya in 6 months
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« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2004, 12:33:45 AM »
Kweesa asked a valid question, "where were you guys during the beta"? I spent 75% of my time since beta 32 in the beta arena optimizing hardware settings, adjusting to the new clipboard interface and learning the flight models.

I upgraded my machine in stages over the past several months, and recently went for a new high-end MB and CPU. All in anticipation of AH2 going live. I'm not alone in this.

So, when AH2 went online, I was familar with it, my machine was ready for it and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

I like the new gunnery model, it suits my style of sticking the guns in my enemy's ear before I fire. I really like the new flight models. I don't find managing my fuel a problem, it adds to the immersion. I experienced one CDT in 6 hours of flying, none during the beta. The locking tailwheel set-up is excellent. The community designed skins are terrific.

A few minor glitches did nothing to knock the luster off the new game. Having been here for quite some time now, I know that these little bugs will be fixed ASAP.

What AH2 does do is make the game less fun for the "gamers". You can't pork the fuel any longer. You can't capture a base as easily. Cherry picking is much harder. The pray and spray horde can't hit squat at 1,000 yards. Those outrageous bomber guns now resemble reality, no more death lasers, no more ack-stars.
Hizooka snap shots are a damn sight tougher to score with, much less get easy kills. Those lazy-man HO artists are finding it far tougher to score hits too. Players are running out of gas because they didn't even bother to review the readme files.

All these changes make it less like an arcade and more like a combat simulator, and the gamers are dismayed and generally pissy about it. Poor little lambs....

The flight simmers are generally pleased with AH2.

Those of you who didn't bother to fly the beta are now paying for your lack of interest. Those of you who couldn't be bothered to find out if your hardware was up to the task are now complaining. Geez, you guys had a year to save your nickels and dimes for an upgrade. Technology evolves, HTC must evolve with it or face being uncompetitive. The same rule applies to user's computers. If you plan on playing PC based games, you can damn well expect to need to upgrade your system from time to time.

Those of you who ignored the beta are going to have to pay the piper and invest some time in re-learning the game. I figure that if you spent the time you have wasted pissin' and moanin' on the BBS in the Training Arena, you'd be half-way to being proficient with the new game.

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: June 19, 2004, 12:36:39 AM by Widewing »
My regards,

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« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2004, 02:27:07 AM »
What WW said!:aok
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« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2004, 03:58:37 AM »
Agreed with WW - if anything I'd like more complexity on the engine management - like IL2 AEP.....radiator/cowl flap.......first and second stages dependant on alt, different for each a/c...make an easy mode that deliveres slightly less performance if you like.

Flaps that don't just automatically retract if you overspeed.........

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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2004, 04:55:36 AM »
I barely find time to fly Ah1, let alone AH2 beta...However, I managed to fly it twice "straight outa the box" since AH 2.0 was released and to be honest I was afraid that my 18 month old P4 2.66, 512 RDram, GeF4 ti4600 was going to struggle considering the aparent need for a spare  IBM super computer to run AH2 .

Quite frankly, apart from maybe playing with the v-sync so my fps isn't "stuck" on 59, AH can only move forward and imo AH2 is a good step forward..

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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2004, 06:28:35 AM »
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Anyone who has worked in IT delivering software to users who number in their thousands will understand that no amount of beta testing meets the acid test - which is when the thing goes LIVE. Sure, there might be hiccups to begin with, people will have to change settings etc. When the dust settles, we can expect 2.01 within about a month, maybe sooner.

Relax, guys. Be patient.

And HTC.

This may indeed be the hardest thing I've ever said but....  here.... goes.....

I agree with Beet1e! There.... I said it! :p