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« Reply #180 on: June 23, 2004, 10:24:51 PM »
Heh, in my line of work I have to write that word a lot.

It took me years in NY before I finally broke the "u" habit.

And just as I did, I moved to Canada.

Now it's a mess. Sometimes I use "u" and sometimes I don't and sometimes I'm so paranoid that I throw a "u" in where it doesn't even closely belong just to cover my bases.
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« Reply #181 on: June 23, 2004, 10:26:39 PM »
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Now it's a mess. Sometimes I use "u" and sometimes I don't and sometimes I'm so paranoid that I throw a "u" in where it doesn't even closely belong just to cover my bases.


I knouw what you meaun!;)
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« Reply #182 on: June 23, 2004, 10:50:04 PM »
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Canada is not responsable for whom the US border guards allow into the US:rolleyes:


Nope, didn't say they were.

I was under the impression that Canada is responsible for whom it lets into Canada though.

Wat you tink, eh?
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« Reply #183 on: June 23, 2004, 10:50:42 PM »
Oh, wait..... maybe you're saying you grow your own A-Q up there? If so, I'm sorry for that last one.
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« Reply #184 on: June 23, 2004, 10:52:15 PM »
I thought the US was responsible for who it lets in or wait maybe you grow your own down there **SLAP** don't derail yourself.
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« Reply #185 on: June 23, 2004, 10:56:48 PM »
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Fair enuff.

For one thing though, none of the Al-Q who attacked on 9/11 came through Canada that I'm aware of. (maybe I'm wrong?)


Two words:  Ahmed Ressam

The CSIS is on top of their game when it comes to suspected terrorists and Canada. We just don't allow that nonsense.

I think all agencies in about every country stepped up their game after 9/11, don't you? But before that we all probably had Ahmed Ressams running around. Most likely we all still do.




By saying "harbouring".... and by making a distinction between that and "supporting" and "protecting"... I'm gonna say that it means "Being aware of terrorists within your borders and not doing shreck all about it". Sorta.

It's nebulous but that's fair enough. This whole thing is pretty much a "shadow war" so there's going to be some "nebulosity" no matter what.


So we both agree then that if a government is pursuing and killing A-Q's they're probably not "harbouring" or even "harboring" them?

;)   <---- and you know why, too.
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« Reply #186 on: June 23, 2004, 10:57:42 PM »
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I thought the US was responsible for who it lets in or wait maybe you grow your own down there **SLAP** don't derail yourself.


I would agree to a policy of not letting any middle easterners or illegal Mexicans in myself, would solve most of our problems.

would allow only Israelis in from middle east..... nobody worries about them causing problems
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« Reply #187 on: June 23, 2004, 11:01:16 PM »
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I thought the US was responsible for who it lets in or wait maybe you grow your own down there **SLAP** don't derail yourself.


Oh no. Clearly they slipped past our guys. No doubt about it.

Just as clearly, that was AFTER they slipped past YOUR guys.

Now, in the "good old days" the US/Canada border was pretty much a formality. It was essentially an open border. It's still WAY more open a border than either the US or Canada presents to travelers from countries outside of North America, wouldn't you agree?

I mean both YOUR guys and OUR guys gave a much closer look to people arriving from "across the oceans" than they did to folks crossing the "no border" border between the US and Canada.

But, let's not derail ourselves over a really stupid comment from a drive by poster, ok?



Ball's on your side of the net.
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« Reply #188 on: June 23, 2004, 11:03:06 PM »
Now Nuke, if you want to play, pick up a racket. We're going to finally discuss this guy's speech. Maybe.

First off, see how many of his proposed solutions you agree or disagree with in the upthread post of same.

And let's not get diverted into this border thing just cuz toronto was bored and didn't have anything to contribute.

OK?
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« Reply #189 on: June 23, 2004, 11:03:30 PM »
Yes.... I know why :)

But tell me, (and I'll grant you that this is an isolated case, yet it is to me quite telling; the reason I use/pursue it).

Bush concocted his doctrine a couple of years ago. Yet the only pursuing of Al-Q I've heard of by them happened a week ago post-death of an American.

Am I getting at nothing? Can you throw me a bone here? Or will you maintain that the Saudis have been a loyal-anti-terrorist-harboring-team-player?

I would LOVE to move past this...
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« Reply #190 on: June 23, 2004, 11:06:39 PM »
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Now Nuke, if you want to play, pick up a racket. We're going to finally discuss this guy's speech. Maybe.

First off, see how many of his proposed solutions you agree or disagree with in the upthread post of same.

And let's not get diverted into this border thing just cuz toronto was bored and didn't have anything to contribute.

OK?


Toad, you played footsie with the likes of Pongo and xtoronto and allowed them to stray off topic for a couple pages when you should have ignored their ignorant posts. ;)

I actually was on topic from the begining, now I'm playing footsie.
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« Reply #191 on: June 23, 2004, 11:10:02 PM »
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Now Nuke, if you want to play, pick up a racket. We're going to finally discuss this guy's speech. Maybe.

First off, see how many of his proposed solutions you agree or disagree with in the upthread post of same.

And let's not get diverted into this border thing just cuz toronto was bored and didn't have anything to contribute.

OK?


Plus you rebuke me after getting into the "border" thing yourslef.

jeeze.

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Now, in the "good old days" the US/Canada border was pretty much a formality. It was essentially an open border. It's still WAY more open a border than either the US or Canada presents to travelers from countries outside of North America, wouldn't you agree?

I mean both YOUR guys and OUR guys gave a much closer look to people arriving from "across the oceans" than they did to folks crossing the "no border" border between the US and Canada.
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« Reply #192 on: June 23, 2004, 11:14:24 PM »
I'm not particularly fond of the Saudis as anyone who has actually read what I've said in this thread knows.

I have said in this thread that at this time they are helping us more than hurting us in "THE WAR ON TERROR" or TWAMI as Sandman would have it.

Now, yeah, they're pursuing and killing A-Q's as best they know how right now. Why? Because it has apparently dawned on the Elite that guys like Osama really don't like THEM either. I bet there's a little Royal Sweat running down some less than stable backbones. They're beginning to see that after A-Q runs the infidels out of the Saudi peninsula, the Royal family will be the next target.

And actually, I think they were moving against A-Q in a fairly lackadaisical manner for a while. As you know, there is dissension in the Royal Family about this very issue.

Now, how long ago did they start to do anything at all? I'd say 9/11. They have (most likely grudgingly) cooperated with our Treasury, CIA, FBI and NSA types since then. Wholehearted cooperation? Probably not at first, but as the danger to themselves becomes more apparent, they've been moving a little faster.

Prior to 9/11? They were dangerously close to the folks Bush said he'd go after. I'd agree with that.

But since then, they've helped out enough to stay one step ahead of the hangman. I think they're coming round now though through what used to be termed "enlightend self-interest".
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« Reply #193 on: June 23, 2004, 11:17:27 PM »
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Toad, you played footsie with the likes of Pongo and xtoronto and allowed them to stray off topic for a couple pages when you  


Don't forget Six! I played footsie with him too!

I'm interested in free discussion; I don't require that everything be on my terms. I'll discuss on anyone's terms as long as it's interesting. Some are more interesting than others, of course.

You're right; I'm sorry. That was my attempt to get back on track after toronto got his tit for tat.

OK, let's stay on track. Still interested in your agree/disagree positons. Go ahead with them.
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« Reply #194 on: June 23, 2004, 11:23:27 PM »
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And let's not get diverted into this border thing just cuz toronto was bored and didn't have anything to contribute.

OK?


not as bored as busy preparing stuff for a meeting...

my 2 cents is I think you two came to a reasonable perspective...I for one always thought (for granted) that  the reference to "those who harbour them" was directly intended to point out the middle east players and N Korea.

As far as nuke goes...He's a Beatle fan...he's not all bad:aok
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