Nashwan,
Your numbers are plain wrong on the 190. The 190A1 had the exact same climb best rate as the 190A3. 16.5 Meters/sec. best climb.
I thought those were the figures I gave, quoting you as the source?
Not only that you are looking at ONE set of numbers for ONE altitude that was the very best that plane accomplished.
For the Spit, the figures I gave hold true up to 9,000 ft for 16 lbs, about 15,000ft iirc for normal rating. I've repeatedly said I don't know the full 190 performance figures.
Now like ANY airplane this changed with altitude. So which Altitude are you taking the spit climb rate from, what altitude is the spits best climb and what altitude is the 190's best climb? Plane performance is not just a simple ONE set of numbers.
That's why I specified the altitude range for the Spit figures.
Remember there is a difference between SPEED and RATE.
Of course there is.
I made a simple comment to someone's "complaint" that the Spit V could outclimb the 190A in AH. I said it should be able to.
Obviously that might not hold true for all altitudes, but then again it might. The 190 wasn't noted for it's high alt performance, after all. But, like I said, I don't know the full climb figures for the 190.
I've seen a scan of an original doc that shows figures for a 190A5, at 1.32 ata 2450 rpm (climb and combat).
It shows 15 m/s at sea level, rising to 15.3 at approx 1 km, dropping to about 12 at 2.5 km, then dropping to 11 at 5.5 km, and 1.5 at 10 km. I don't have the full details about the condition of the plane, or any futher details about the test.
Comparing that to the Spit V at normal rating, which held about 16.4 up to 4.6 km, 14 at 5.5 km, 3.9 at 10 km, the Spit on normal rating wins all the way.
I don't have combat rating figures for the 190s, but I think there's broad agreement it wouldn't reach 4,000 ft/min.
BTW the Summer of '42 was called the Focke Wulf Summer by the RAF. This is because the FW-190 had complete domination in performance over the Spit Vb.
I've never disputed that the 190 was a better fighter than the Spit V. I merely pointed out that the Spit V in AH outclimbing the 190 was, by and large, correct.
When Faber, thru a mistake in navigation, accidently landed on an RAF base in England the British got their FW-190.
He didn't land at an RAF base in England. He landed at RAF Pembrey, which is not far from where I live, and my grandmother worked there during the war. I can assure you it's not in England.
The only advantage the Spit V had was turning.
And climbing.
Don't forget, the RAF did climbing trials with the Spitfire running at normal rating, the 190 running on WEP. Only later on did the A4 gain the increase in power that made the old wep rating the new climb and combat rating. Even then, the independent tests of 190s and Spit Vs found no real difference between a Spit V on normal rating and a 190 on 1.32 ata.
Edit: I didn't want to post the scan of the 190 climb figures in case the person I got it from had asked me not to (I had no idea where the pic came from).
However, a search for the filename found it on the UBI boards, it was originally posted by Butch.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=807101562&r=745102962#745102962
