Author Topic: Another American Beheaded (Read 1359 times)

Dingbat · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2004, 05:21:16 AM »

I'm sorry but with technological capabilities today, how about a GPS aware personal tracking system/implant.

Require all contractors/soldiers to recieve the implants while in a hot zone?

hawker238 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2004, 09:18:40 AM »

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Originally posted by JB73

i dont like to be a part of these political discussions, but when i say "hurt" i dont mean jailing them, or even quickly having a sniper pick them off when found. i want them to see the true nature of violence, and what the word retribution really means.

This is what capt. apathy is talking about.

cpxxx · « **Reply #47 on:** June 20, 2004, 03:04:03 PM »

QU[OTE]Originally posted by VOR
Does anyone else think it's convenient that the Saudis caught up with them just after the fact and then killed the ringleader? Was he maybe shot while trying to escape?

Just some purely random speculation here. I just reminded myself of one of those tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.

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They caught them because someone saw them acting suspiciously in a car and took down their number plate according to media reports. Simple as that. In fact if there was any conspiracy it would be the other way around and involve letting them get away. There was some suggestion that the Irish cameraman who was killed recently was lured there in part by someone in the police or national guard.

On that point the Saudi problem is not just directed at Americans. The recent attacks killed people from all over the world. It's directed at non muslims and is intended to scare all foreigners out of Saudi. When that happens we are all in trouble because Saudi depends on foreigners to run everything. Their next step is to overthrow the current regime. If we lose Saudi oil we can look forward to depression and expensive oil. Bang goes your gas guzzling lifestyle. Forget about Iraq, Saudi Arabia is where the front line is now. Forget all the macho posturing and retaliation talk.

Eagler · « **Reply #48 on:** June 20, 2004, 04:47:49 PM »

we would not lose saudi oil

you think we have a military presence in Iraq?

you aint seen nothing if saudi got unstable...

hawker238 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 20, 2004, 06:21:29 PM »

Are they considered unstable if they refuse to sell us oil? They might be making a big napalm bomb or something with it. Call up the reserves.

VOR · « **Reply #50 on:** June 20, 2004, 06:59:37 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Are they considered unstable if they refuse to sell us oil? They might be making a big napalm bomb or something with it. Call up the reserves.

They are considered unstable if all western influence leaves Saudi. It's not a matter of unwilling, they'd be unable to sell us or anyone else oil. This is the whole idea behind frightening all westerners out of the country by picking one now and again and sawing his head off. With an unstable/defunct government comes certain opportunities.

The reserves have already been called up.

cpxxx · « **Reply #51 on:** June 20, 2004, 07:50:02 PM »

Exactly VOR. Al Qaeda have a kind of year zero plan for Saudi. We don't get their oil and they revert to some kind of fantasy Islamic past. Saudi Arabia is the front line in the war on terror and ironically the war to protect our lifestyle. But invading or 'liberating' Saudi Arabia is not an option, Eagler.

Now I don't think the Saudi people really want an Al Qaeda takeover nor indeed do they want the current corrupt regime. Fundamental changes are needed there and that will in part be the biggest task for any American president in the next few years. Bush or Kerry. But they do not want foreign troops on their soil.

I don't believe it is exaggerating to say it but our whole way of life depends on Saudi and middle eastern oil generally. Until oil is replaced our future depends on the whims of the Arabs. Not very reassuring.

Otto · « **Reply #52 on:** June 20, 2004, 08:30:08 PM »

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Originally posted by cpxxx

I don't believe it is exaggerating to say it but our whole way of life depends on Saudi and middle eastern oil generally. Until oil is replaced our future depends on the whims of the Arabs. Not very reassuring.

Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #53 on:** June 20, 2004, 09:18:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
You bet it is.

The war on terror is moronic.

Call it what it is. The war on militant Islam.

It very well may be but considering the Islam is now larger then even Christianity would you want to be the leader of a country that makes that statement outright?

LOL I know I sure as hell wouldnt

Nashwan · « **Reply #54 on:** June 20, 2004, 09:21:17 PM »

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Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'

There is almost no spare capacity in oil production left in the short term. Russia is already producing as much as it can, Iraq the same. About the only county that can increase production in the short term is Saudi.

Saudi already supplies over 10% of the world's oil, without Saudi production there will be around 12% less oil being produced than consumed. Reserves won't last long at that rate.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #55 on:** June 20, 2004, 09:22:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Otto
Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'

We account for 75% of saudi oil sales but yet we still only get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle east..
Last time I checked it was like 25% of our oil imports were of middle eastern origin.

Least so said the Dept of energy

Had the link but cant find it now. Perhaps someone else does

RTSigma · « **Reply #56 on:** June 20, 2004, 10:41:25 PM »

Listened to a talk show on the radio on the way to work (at hooters in the am) and he made some radical points:

A hypocrite Muslim is a peaceful Muslim.

The war on terror would end if:
Terrorist's religion ( I will not get into details with this one) is related to Mein Kampf
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We stop purchasing oil from Saudi Arabia as they do fund terrorists, but the Bush Admin is "in bed" with the Saudi's.

In all honesty, the amount of lives lost is not a lot, its the amount of lives involved that is making people mad, there are whole groups of soldiers who are past their due dates to go home. A lot of them are tired and I don't blame them, we've accomplished what we came to do and they want to see their family, not some "Mad Max"-style country with people being kidnapped and murdered and constant fighting.

I say bring all the troops home and let the Middle East brew in their own stew. They hate having foreign troops in there, and we want troops home right? There, problem solved. Sure, security may be needed but then again, what is the worst that can happen? All it would take is one slip-up in offensive action and we'd go back there and shut it down. Its a vicious cycle folks, and no doubt we'll be dealing with these threats for years to come.

Momus-- · « **Reply #57 on:** June 21, 2004, 05:58:25 AM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
I, myself, as an American is totally tired of the kidgloved watermelon America has been doing lately. We need to strongly, forcefully hold countries like Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Yemen and Iran responsible for the venomous hatered they spewl towards America's Freedom!

When you've quite finished wrapping yourself in your flag, you might like to consider the fact that America's traditional disdain towards "freedom" in some of the countries you list is at the root of the current problems in the region.

Badger · « **Reply #58 on:** June 21, 2004, 06:51:53 AM »

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Originally posted by RTSigma
..Terrorist's religion ( I will not get into details with this one) is related to Mein Kampf.

FYI...

Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.

Regards,
Badger