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Offline BigB717

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« on: June 21, 2004, 12:59:30 PM »
Read this and pass it on  :)



Love him or loath him, he nailed this one right on the head.............
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>       By Rush Limbaugh:
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>       I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving the country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the
>       entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.
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>       If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.
>       Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.
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>       Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in
>       harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.
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>       We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.
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>       You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live
>       in low-rent housing. Make sense?
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>       However, our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month, and most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.
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>       If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.
>       I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are! now fighting.
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>       "When do we finally do something about this?" If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.If your interested there is more.......................
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>       This must be a campaign issue in 2004. Keep it going.
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>       SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth the read. It's short
>       and to the point.)
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>       Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congressmen do not pay into Social Security. Many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
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>       When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die, except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments. For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000 - that's Seven Million, Eight Hundred Thousand), with! their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.
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>       This is calculated on an average life span for each.
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>       Their cost for this excellent plan is $00.00. These little perks they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan.
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>       The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Fund--our tax dollars at work! From our own Social
>       Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into -- every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) --we can expect to get an average $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!
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>       Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. And that change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us and then watch how fast they would! ld fix it.
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>       If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
>       awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. WE, each one of us... can make a difference.. Yes, if in fact Rush agrees with this info, I do agree with him...........
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2004, 01:19:49 PM »
Reminds me of a few years ago when our PART-TIME legislators here in AZ were complaining that they couldn't make it on $28,000(IIRC) a year and needed a pay raise. (they are supposed to have other forms of employment...)
This was just after they had voted to not give the teachers in the state any pay raise that previous year - and the teachers average starting salary was only $22,000 a year.....

I totally agree - put the Congress and Senators on Soc. Sec. and see how they do on it - I bet things would get fixed really quick!

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2004, 01:23:25 PM »
I didnt say that Rush is always full of crap. Just that he often is..
I agree with that article in its entirety.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2004, 01:32:02 PM »
Snope the Social Security.

The September 11 stuff is over two years old. (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/military.htm).
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2004, 04:09:17 PM »
Thats just sick, if were to lose a family memer in an attack similer to 9/11.. say a bomb detonation in London killing my father I wouldn't expect any compensation, I wouldn't be bothered about the money. How can  these - strike me down if you will but its true - SICK individuals be asking for more money? You can't compensate the loss of a life and that's just plain cashing in on a trajedy.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2004, 04:12:58 PM »
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Originally posted by Pongo
I didnt say that Rush is always full of crap. Just that he often is..
I agree with that article in its entirety.



Like the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2004, 05:04:41 PM »
he's right but he doesn't take it far enough.

I'm not sure what your average GI makes a month these days.  it was under a grand when I was a kid.   how much does the average employee of a military contractor make?

how much does a general make a month?  how much does the CEO of Halliburton make in a month?

why should the guys making the weapons, serving lunch, or sitting back home in an office make more money than the guy who got pulled away from his family to get shot at?

limit the salary's and profits for defence contractors to the same as a similar ranked soldiers.

as I see it, it could play out a couple ways.  either you'd see the pay for soldiers sky-rocket, or their would be so little profit in war that we'd only use it when it was absolutely necessary.  either way would be a plus in my book.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2004, 06:43:01 PM »
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
he's right but he doesn't take it far enough.

I'm not sure what your average GI makes a month these days.  it was under a grand when I was a kid.   how much does the average employee of a military contractor make?

how much does a general make a month?  how much does the CEO of Halliburton make in a month?

why should the guys making the weapons, serving lunch, or sitting back home in an office make more money than the guy who got pulled away from his family to get shot at?

limit the salary's and profits for defence contractors to the same as a similar ranked soldiers.

as I see it, it could play out a couple ways.  either you'd see the pay for soldiers sky-rocket, or their would be so little profit in war that we'd only use it when it was absolutely necessary.  either way would be a plus in my book.



Believe it or not contracters make more money because they are actually cheaper.  This theory has been tried and tested and proved true....here's an example.


(all numbers are estimated)
let's say an E-3 makes $1800 a month before taxes.  (you have to include the costs of taxes cause the federal govt does pay taxes to itself....stupid yes but true)

Now you have to calculate his benifits.......If he's married he gets $800 a month for housing allowence and $250 a month for food costs.

now thats $2850 a month....that doesnt include all the other support costs for him/her (IE admin finance medical dental command basically the same as his salery per GI so I've heard)

A contracter can be hired to do the job for half that and we free up a GI from a "service" job to carry a rifle.

Beleive it or not the pay gap between mill and civ is declining now a days.  When I first came into active duty an E1 made about $625 a month....now that number is closer to $1100.  That is just basic pay he/she also gets: free room, free food, clothing allowence, travel pay, medical, dental, 75% tution assistance, Free education/certification, free family counseling, the GI bill, and they now have a thrift savings plan as well.

I'm not saying military pay is perfect but it has gotten ALOT better in my 8+ years of service.

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2004, 06:46:52 PM »
I would vote to have those who put their lives on the line to be paid more than those who send them to do so.
My father passed away at 38 and he had served his time in the Army in the 60's. The Army pension plan didn't really help out the family of 3 for my mother. We are past that age now and my mother is on disablity after working her back to make ends meet because the pension plan itself wasn't even enough. The sad part is that even disability isn't enough. In fact, no plan given to those who have worked their lives to help their family and others is enough nowadays. All because theres some people in Congress who'd want to keep their millionaire status.

In the future, I would sure hope a revolution comes about where the entire nature of Congress is changed from money-hungry individuals to those who are humble and continue to live as humble people, making as much as their rural neighboors at tough jobs. That way, you'd see more and more benificial laws for the country.

Remember people, these Congressmen are supposed to be SERVING US, HELPING US, and SUPPORTING US. Not vice-versa.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2004, 07:16:57 PM »
Limbaugh is NOT the author. That e-mail has been floating around the net for years. Somebody just did a little editing to it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2004, 07:19:08 PM »
Rush makes a very good point!

thx for posting

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2004, 09:25:11 PM »
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Originally posted by rpm371
Limbaugh is NOT the author. That e-mail has been floating around the net for years. Somebody just did a little editing to it.

:rolleyes:


Read it and weep RPM, he did author it.  It's part of his "Limbaugh minute" or whatever its called before the big break at the top of the hour.  I remember this one when it was aired.

Taken directly from Snopes.com via Sandy's hyperlink;

Claim:   Article contrasts compensation to families of September 11 victims with benefits paid to families of military personnel killed on active duty.
Status:   True.

Example:   [Collected on the Internet, 2002]


What's a Military Family Worth?
by Rush Limbaugh
March 11, 2002

I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims of the September 11th casualty, and those who die serving the country in uniform, are profound. No one is really talking about it either because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11th. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.

If you lost a family member in the September 11th attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.

If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11th families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you?

Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2004, 09:43:24 PM »
Free America !  :aok

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2004, 10:35:37 PM »
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Read it and weep RPM, he did author it.  It's part of his "Limbaugh minute" or whatever its called before the big break at the top of the hour.  I  remember this one when it was aired.

Taken directly from Snopes.com via Sandy's hyperlink;



Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad.


Learn to read it and weep Diablo, he DID NOT author it. This WAS NOT part of his "Limbaugh minute" or whatever its called before the big break at the top of the hour. I don't remember this one when it was aired because I don't listen to the windbag.

Taken directly from Snopes.com via Sandy's hyperlink;  
Like I said, it's an old email that someone edited, sorry. :aok
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Claim:   Members of Congress receive lavish pensions but are not required to contribute to the Social Security fund.

Status:   False.

Example:  


[Collected on the Internet, 2003]

2004 Election Issue !!

GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2004." Please! Keep it going.

SOCIAL SECURITY:

(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.

Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.

In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments. For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....

This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!

From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, — every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) — we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.

That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us ... then sit back and watch how fast they would fix it.

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.

How many people can YOU send this to?

Keep this going clear up thru the 2004 election!! We need to be heard

« Last Edit: June 21, 2004, 10:38:42 PM by rpm »
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2004, 04:33:01 AM »
Ok, will try to be more specific for the slower folks here (RPM)...

No, he did not author the email that was posted here by BigB717, but he DID author the bulk of what was to become what Big posted concerning compensation for 9/11 victims families (NOT the social security part in the second half).

What you quoted in regards to this editorial by Rush has nothing in common to what I was trying to say, i.e. Rush authored the original work concerning the 9/11 families.  Snopes even confirms this.  That what [b/]TRUE[/b] means.  

But since you don't even listen to him, how would you know?  I did and I remember it.  

As for what you quoted if you would have READ what Big posted he even said "SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth the read. It's short  and to the point.)" thus the two articles are separated with no author given credit for that part of the email.  My focus was on the Rush part only which you obviously didn't read as it ONLY focuses on the 9/11 compensation issue.

Now...go back and READ IT AND WEEP ALL OVER AGAIN.

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