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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2004, 08:33:45 AM »
maybe they could get a deal with gucci to make em genuine bad bellybutton biker wallets and chaps and accessories..

They sure talk mean tho.

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2004, 08:52:19 AM »
When I see some of those hardcore chopper builders casting their own engine blocks I will take their bitter grapes seriously.

"Whoooo they bought their frame and wheels from someone else. Cheater cheater cheater. They are nothing but cake decorators."

It is smart business sense and artistic sense to contract out the painting and powder coating to specialty shops who can do a much better job.

Fabracating a frame is a total waste of time if you just want a nice balanced bike. Proven frames are the way to go. Making your own just results in a chopper that looks cool but drives like crap.

None of them make thier own wheels or engines or drivetrains.

OCC does a nice job taking a theme and working it into a design. They fabricate metal well. They are all young guys.

The other guys in the chopper build off show look tough covered in tatoos but they are a bunch of pansy bellybutton whiners.

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2004, 09:10:02 AM »
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When I see some of those hardcore chopper builders casting their own engine blocks I will take their bitter grapes seriously.

"Whoooo they bought their frame and wheels from someone else. Cheater cheater cheater. They are nothing but cake decorators."

It is smart business sense and artistic sense to contract out the painting and powder coating to specialty shops who can do a much better job.

Fabracating a frame is a total waste of time if you just want a nice balanced bike. Proven frames are the way to go. Making your own just results in a chopper that looks cool but drives like crap.

None of them make thier own wheels or engines or drivetrains.

OCC does a nice job taking a theme and working it into a design. They fabricate metal well. They are all young guys.

The other guys in the chopper build off show look tough covered in tatoos but they are a bunch of pansy bellybutton whiners.


I agree with you to an extent.  What I was saying is that I wouldn't spend the $ for an OCC or any other custom builder's bike when I could just as easily do what they did.  Anyone can order components and assemble.  I already own power hammers, punch presses, brakes and an english wheel.  But I would do precious little fabrication myself if I could buy the components already made.  That's smart on OCC's part.  I don't like their product though much too flashy for my taste.  I like understated things.

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2004, 09:21:19 AM »
Storch...no, not "anyone" can do what they do.  I am useless around any tools and have been known to take bikes apart and have parts left over when I put 'em back together.

To me these guys are Gods....but I'd rather have lazs in a pair of chaps with the backsides cut out build me a bike.  ;0
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2004, 09:28:42 AM »
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Storch...no, not "anyone" can do what they do.  I am useless around any tools and have been known to take bikes apart and have parts left over when I put 'em back together.


Sorry quite true, anyone who is mechanically inclined, with the proper tools and willing to make a few mistakes along the way can learn to assemble components.  Is that better?

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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2004, 10:03:58 AM »
Tuttle Jr is very talented at what he does, Tuttle Sr. is just a *******...... but I've got no use for a theme bike...... I'd much rather have a West Coast Chopper anyday! Jesse James rules!

I also think Paulie should venture out on his own, make regular, cool looking choppers, and lay off the themes....... he's got the talent and the resources to do it.

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2004, 10:21:34 AM »
I don't think he could do it on his own unless he started to use mostly stock components as the OCC shop has an incredible assortment of metal fabricating machines. On his own even making a twisted sissy bar would be almost impossible.

I think Paul Senior made a couple of pretty good bikes in the early shows (didn't he make the Old School bike that they now market as a regular model?) and I know the POW MIA bike had many of his ideas on it.

He was probably the guy that made the first few bikes and as such the guy who found all the subcontractors they use. Do not underestimate his importance to the process. I am sure he is also the guy who taught Paulie to weld and fabricate.

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2004, 01:28:52 PM »
I agree, but this is a case where the student surpassed the teacher... BUT, it is family........ Maybe Paul Sr. should just back off a bit.

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2004, 01:36:50 PM »
If they could get an assembly line going they could make a couple thousand of each unique bike a year.  

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2004, 01:37:15 PM »
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I agree, but this is a case where the student surpassed the teacher... BUT, it is family........ Maybe Paul Sr. should just back off a bit.


That wouldn't be good television :)

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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2004, 01:56:23 PM »
I like the show.  Started watching it after some of my students told me to watch Monster Garage a couple years ago.  I think the bikes are cool, though I doubt they are anything more than show bikes.  Oh well, I know I ain't hard core, so I can live with myself for thinking the show and the bikes they make are pretty slick.

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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2004, 02:08:44 PM »
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maybe they could get a deal with gucci to make em genuine bad bellybutton biker wallets and chaps and accessories..

They sure talk mean tho.

lazs


I was talking to a guy a month or 2 ago that "claims" to know Paul Sr.  probably knows someone that knows him... but anyways...  his story was that Sr. is making the real money in merchandise anyways.  something like 20 million a year or some crazy number like that... of course this is all from a guy that knows a guy.....

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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2004, 02:12:41 PM »
Mos
 He is prolly right.


 You see OCC shirts and stuff everywhere now. I had no clue what the hell they were for tell I saw the show.


I bet they make WAY more money off, there clothes being trendy then making bikes.

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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2004, 02:20:25 PM »
I'd rather have lazs in a pair of chaps with the backsides cut out build me a bike. ;0

I you were to actually look at lazs in that getup ... I would presume that your eyes would melt from their sockets and shortly after that you would turn to stone.
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2004, 02:22:41 PM »
I enjoy the show.  mostly because I see a bit of myself or my friends in most of the guys there.

at work I'm most like Jr.  sort of a "I know you run this place, but this is the part I do, I know what I'm doing, get out of my face and let me do it" approach

when dealing with my kids I feel like Sr.  they are the only people in the world who can get me that mad.  I couldn't imagine trying to run a business and having my kids work for me.

when I'm on my own time the people I hang out with are mostly like Mikey.  that kind of guy can really set a mood and help you just have a laugh and a good time.

and the guys who I partner up with at work are usually like Vinny.  very skilled in their own right, but they trust my judgment as to how I want to approach the over all project.  they know that I know what I'm doing, but they just wish I wouldn't aggravate the boss so much.

it makes for good tv.

as far as fabrication skills, I haven't seen any great examples.  mostly just cutting and welding, and the majority of any bending is done on machinery.  about the most extensive fabrication I saw was the MIA bike, where he was hand bending the bumpers and such.  all very basic stuff that can be done in most any shop.

what Jr does have is vision.  he can picture the whole bike before it's made and see what different changes will do.  thats a gift I wish I possessed.  It wouldn't be bragging at all to say I could easily match anything they've done in-shop on that show with out even beginning to approach the limits of my abilities, but I would need a drawn up print of what you want the bike to be when it's done.  thats the real catch, to be creative enough to see it and still be logical enough  and skilled enough to get it to match your vision.  all of those traits don't often show it in one guy.

most of the bikes the feature are more museum pieces than actual rides though.  they look cool on a show but you'd just feel like a fool riding around on them.  except Mikey's blues bike, I could throw my leg over that one every morning.