NEA: No School Vouchers...VOTE KERRY!!

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Lizking
NEA sucks, an endorsment by them is like being endorsed by the FDB's.

Or the NRA

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Or the NRA

Touche!  

the NRA sends me mail and asks me to cast my vote on who they beleive is gonna fight for my second ammendment rights.  but its still on me whom I choose.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Eagler
vouchers are the only means in place in an attempt to hold schools/teachers accountable for their performance or lack there of


oh and the voucher is really the parents money returned in the form of a "refund" for poor services rendered, so you can keep your 1st admen whine ..

Make up your mind...is the voucher an attempt to hold accountability to teachers, or is it a refund? Please, find an argument, and stick to it.

Given your childish replies, it's pretty clear that public education has failed you as well. Answering to your adolescent remarks no longer interests me. You don't offend me, as my opinon of you has gotten so low it's impossible for me to have any less respect for you than I already have.


I prefer to keep my 1st Amemendment, and I'll whine like an NRA member trying to keep his M2 .50 caliber Rav-4 mounted "deer rifle" if anyone tyries to take it away from me.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Touche!  

the NRA sends me mail and asks me to cast my vote on who they beleive is gonna fight for my second ammendment rights.  but its still on me whom I choose.

Gunslingr for not pandering to special interests and voting your conscience.

I would love to disband or restrusture the teachers' union contract  and give autonomy to principals to control staffing at their own schools. I think that they have in fact become too powerful, at the expense of the students.

Hopwever, throwing the baby out with the bathwater never solves anything, and the voucher system, IMO, does exacvtly that.

[Eagler]

dang RTail you really hurt my feelings there - LOL

ya tard, why did you go and make it personal, I hadn't said anything like:
"Given your childish replies, it's pretty clear that public education has failed you as well. Answering to your adolescent remarks no longer interests me. You don't offend me, as my opinon of you has gotten so low it's impossible for me to have any less respect for you than I already have."

 I think you owe me one of those liberal apologies ... come on boy, I might accept it...

have I told you how impressed I am with your list of firearms in your sig? - LOL

ps

the voucher is both

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by wklink
you called me a Neo-Nazi  

??????????

Well, if we are already funding students to go to Georgetown or Notre dame, why create vouchers in the first place?

vouchers are for primary and secondary schools, which is where this argument is focused on. Higher education funding, such as FA, are in a different category. Furthermore, student loans are repaid by the student.

You know, if you managed to keep your cool I think you would make for far more compelling arguments...find your emotional center, and don't let the anger fuel your arguments, it's unbecoming...

[wklink]

Maybe, but blanket statements like saying anyone for school vouchers must have some kind of hidden agenda supporting Klan and Nazi schools really gets into my craw.

My grandfather slid down the side of the USS Lexington in 1942 fighting against that kind of thought pattern.  I lost family members in every war since the war of independence and I don't like, even by inference, being associated with such a group.  There was no such thing as private education in the Soviet Union yet making a statement that those on this board that support funding only public education secretly want such a system would be just as irresponsible.

Maybe you need to remember that words mean things and that whether you are 'kidding' or not some folks don't take it that way.   I'm sorry but if you fling a **** into a town hall meeting some folks are going to be irritated by the smell.

You want to debate, fine, keep the 'all blah blah are blah blah' stuff out of it.  We're trying to be open minded and accepting right?

[lazs2]

redtail.. I attended both public and provate schools.   I was tested as mediocre in the private school and when I went to public school (we moved and it was too expensive for my parents to attend the private school)... when I was tested in the public school I was two full grades ahead in learning.  

my son and daughter have both attended public schools and In the tradition of Jefferson... I would love to have opted out of them because I was being forced to pay fot indoctinization that I did not believe in.   I couldn't because I was deprived of my rights...Your teacher is wrong was a pretty common statetment around our house.  Parent teacher nights could be interesting.   The teachers were liberal mushheads.

as for any public school doing better than a private one... there may be one or two out there but with zillions of em to choose frome then some upperclass neighborhood somewhere with parents having a strong financial hold on the school is bound to do well.   The norm is lousy schools that cost way too much and you know it.

In LA county 87% of the "hard working" teachers are pure administrative.   private schoold are about 5%.   what are you arfraid of?  

I am afraid of one group... the NEA controlling the majority of of our kids growing and formative years.   to say that they don't have a political agenda in one breath and then to see em constantly cast their vote for a single party in another....

Oh... I am glad to see you think I am "half right" on most things... I have to admit... without doing a search, that I don't believe I have ever seen you be right about anything.   Not even that thrilled with your choices of firearms.

lazs