A question for the Moore-bashers

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by AKIron
Does second hand knowledge give me the right to a little bashing?

NO!;)

[Curval]

Originally posted by AKIron
My son saw it and told me about it. Does second hand knowledge give me the right to a little bashing? How about if I say I heard he was a lying scumbag that manipulates only the weak minded?

Well gee...we have already heard that from sling.  Can we all assume that his opinion jibes with ours?

[lazs2]

his other two movies were rife with missleading and out of contect "interviews" and babadgering and out and out lies.   Everything I have read about this one points out that it is exactly like the other two.   this would seem to be a logical thing.   I have heard no one say that this movie was different... even his biggest fans claim that it is "in the tradition" of his other lying scumbag films.

lazs

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by lazs2
I have heard no one say that this movie was different...

"Please allow me to introduce myself..."

[lazs2]

are you saying that his style is completely different in this movie?  or... are you saying that "sure, he was a proven liar in his other films but this one he is a new man and tells the truth"?

lazs

[2Slow]

Originally posted by irritant
How many of you have actually seen the movie?


Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Moore. I'm just curious, seeing as a lot of you have very pronounced opinions of the new movie.

I will not give him one nickle of my money.  Therefore, I will not see it.

[sling322]

Originally posted by Curval
As you have seen it you have every right to comment on it negatively.  I was referring to those who were bashing him and who have NOT seen it.

I haven't seen it either, so I ain't bashing or praising.

Did you d/l the movie or something?  If you saw it in a theatre then you have already contributed cash to him.

No...I borrowed "Bowling for Columbine" from someone stupid enough to support the waste of cells known as Michael Moore.  It definitely wasnt a documentary....and based on that piece of tripe, I won't be giving him any money for seeing his latest mockery of a documentary.

[sling322]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
That being said, the Bush admin should of let the UN remove Saddam.  

Yeah....they were doing such a great job of that for the last 12 years since the first gulf war.

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by lazs2
are you saying that his style is completely different in this movie?  or... are you saying that "sure, he was a proven liar in his other films but this one he is a new man and tells the truth"?

lazs

M Moore has a very distinctive style of movie making that is entact. As you know, I have seen F9/11 and there was nothing in that movie that I didn't already know.

I would be hard pressed to find something in the movie that was not factual. Many/most of the things were taped from broadcasts from Fox, NBC, CNN etc..., and used as the reference. Indisputable.
The movie itself was entertaining and it made me laugh out loud in many scenes throughout. That's what I wanted; That's what this movie delivered.
I will go on the record now and say that I have every expectation that this will win an Oscar. That's how good I think this movie is.

I think M Moore believes in himself. That's why many sources call this a truly patriotic film. "WHAT'S MORE AMERICAN THAN ASKING QUESTIONS?"

[lazs2]

what was your opinion of "bowling" then xtor?   it got an oscar.   "the arming of america" got the most prestigious book awards ever handed out.  Maybe you should get that book.

lazs

[xrtoronto]

Bowling for Columbine was my first exposure to M Moore. I had mentioned to friends that I wanted to see the flick and was invited over for the day to have dinner and watch the movie which was playing on Pay-TV.
I enjoyed BFC. I was never bored at any point. M Moore asks a question in the movie about why the high number of firearm murders in the US, relative to other nations. It's a valid question.
Moore is a member of NRA and doesn't appear to have a problem with people owning guns. As you remember, he mentioned Canada has ~30M people and ~10M registered guns (and countless unregistered guns too) but not the same rate of firearm murder. The comparison was something like:

Annual handgun murders per country:

Germany: 360
Canada: 156
UK: 130
Japan: 39
US: 12,000
(these numbers, from memory,  may not be exact but close enough for comparison)

One thing I will add is that changing gun laws in the US I doubt will change much except make it harder for the 'regular' honest guy to get a gun. It is the criminal element that is causing the problem. I know where to buy a gun here in TO (and Detroit) on the black market, so changing the gun laws here would make no difference either.

Here in TO the vast majority of hand gun crime involves the black community. Why this is so, is another question to which I don't have an understanding.

What I like most about M Moore's movies is he makes me think. He asks some good questions.

[lazs2]

the actual white homicide rate in the U.S. is allmost exactly the same as canada but moore didn't mention that did he?   There are at least 20 flat out lies in bowling... moore never mentioned drugs one time as a cause.   The figures moore gave were all wrong.

you may have enjoyed the movie but what it said was wrong and what it didn't say was what made it even more dishonest.  

I think most people will take a "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you" attitude about moore films from now on... I know I have but then...

some people learn very slowly or... because they want something to be true... are unable to let go.

I think you will enjoy "the arming of America"..   I don't want to spoil it for you and tell you that all the awards have been recinded because the research was fraudulent.... that would spoil it for you and you obvioulsy don't care about that anyway.

lazs