Author Topic: GV killing (Read 1178 times)

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2004, 07:02:49 PM »

MetaTron is our secret weapon, shhhhhhh

MetaTron · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2004, 01:34:38 AM »

From our squad BBS:

I thought I'd share what I've learned about knocking out panzers.

In this image I outlined areas that give good results.

The green area is an automatic kill on any GV if you use an egg. Sometimes a rocket will work.

The red area can be effected by bomb 'splash', a direct hit with a bomb, a rocket, or sustained machinegun fire. Usually, the engine will take a hit. Occasionally, a bomb, rocket, or even sustained machinegun fire will kill a panzer when hit here.

The blue area marks a sweet gun kill zone. I think this is supposed to emulate the metal flakes killing the gun crew, which could happen. However, I have killed tanks with as few as two .50 caliber shots and that's shocking. Sustained machinegun fire will eventually kill the gun if you hit this spot.

I recommend attacking from directly above, or at no less than 70 degrees. Attacking a panzer from the left flank can defeat any gun solution he might have, yet be aware of rotated turrets.

A salvo of two rockets will kill a flak from 10k above him, but from 500 yds. he will kill you everytime. Think about it.

This does still work, but AHII makes things more difficult. Good luck!

Urchin · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:38:02 AM »

That matches up pretty well with Emodins "vulnerability" areas.

For my part, strafing tanks.

I seem to have the best luck disabling turrets when coming from the back and aiming at Voss' blue outlined area.

For actually blowing up Panzer IVs... come at them from the front, and aim at the top of the chassis underneath the barrel of the gun. I've blown up panzers with Hispanos this way in one pass. I've never actually blown one up any other way with Hispanos.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2004, 12:56:02 PM »

Printing thanx great work
and it's pdf

68DevilM · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:24:59 PM »

here's a bad feeling

getting picked on by multiple fighters in your panzer when all your trying to do is get back to base to land your kills because your about to lose your base and getting nail 100yards from the hanger:mad:

sorry happened to me last night, not the first time of course and ive been lucky before and the guy crashed but it really hits a nerve sometimes:mad:

p.s. is the a thing called amnesty in the game? no?

it would make my day to see it sometimes

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2004, 08:35:42 AM »

Personally I think other then the IL2 the planes machine guns are FAR too effective against tanks.

The IL2 was effective against the tanks because of the gun it had but wasnt really useful against planes According to
Chuck Yeager in an interview I saw a couple weeks ago.
"The trajectory of the gun was very short and was like lobbing a grapefruit which made it useless against planes but the russians made good use of it against tanks"

There are VERY few actual confirmed kills of planes killing tanks by using only guns alone (without bombs/rockets) and even less for those using only 50 cals.
At best they mostly managed to partially disable german tanks which sometimes were abandoned in the feild because it was too complex to repair in the feild (unlike the shermans)

Urchin · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2004, 01:38:45 PM »

That'd be a good description of say the German Mk108, but not the Russian Vya-23..

The Vya-23 shot a 467 gram (I'd assume.. the abbreviation is g) at 880 meters/second (at the muzzle). Thats roughly the same velocity as a .50 caliber.. which definately didn't have the trajectory of a lobbed grapefruit.

Tails · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2004, 02:16:40 PM »

Key words 'at the muzzle'. A big round like that is going to slow down in a hurry. So by the time it got at range, it probably was flying like a grapefruit.

Sikboy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2004, 02:24:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Tails
Key words 'at the muzzle'. A big round like that is going to slow down in a hurry. So by the time it got at range, it probably was flying like a grapefruit.

I'm not sure. The NS-37 has similar MV, but a heavier round, and was considered excellent against Aircraft.

-Sik

memnon · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2004, 04:58:09 PM »

webpage with some info on GV's

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/

thrila · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:50:06 PM »

I've once killed a tiger in 1 pass firing at his frontal armour ina spit 14- the gv model is highly suspicious on occasions.

On the other hand the hurri 2d is pretty fun in AHII.

Karnak · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:53:21 PM »

DREDIOCK,

I would suspect that Yeager was refering to the low muzzle velocity American 37mm cannon on the P-39, not the Russian VYa 23mm and NS-37 37mm cannon, both of which had very high muzzle velocities for WWII airborne cannon.

I have never heard of a circumstance in which Yeager would have been exposed to the Russian cannons.

Urchin · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:23:22 PM »

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Originally posted by thrila
I've once killed a tiger in 1 pass firing at his frontal armour ina spit 14- the gv model is highly suspicious on occasions.

On the other hand the hurri 2d is pretty fun in AHII.

OMG the Hurri-2D kicks bellybutton in Ah2

. I love that plane.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:07:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
DREDIOCK,

I would suspect that Yeager was refering to the low muzzle velocity American 37mm cannon on the P-39, not the Russian VYa 23mm and NS-37 37mm cannon, both of which had very high muzzle velocities for WWII airborne cannon.

I have never heard of a circumstance in which Yeager would have been exposed to the Russian cannons.

Dont remember which gu it was exactly though it was a cannon round. He said the Army Air corp decided not to use it but the russians adopted it and used it to great effect against tanks.

Reguardless. the point I was trying to make is that killing GVs with guns alone with the exeption of perhaps the IL2 is entirely too easy:)

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:31:52 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dont remember which gu it was exactly though it was a cannon round. He said the Army Air corp decided not to use it but the russians adopted it and used it to great effect against tanks.

Yes, that would have been the Browning M4 37mm cannon that the P-39 carried. We never had access to the Russian guns.

Browning M4 37mm
Metric Calibre: 37 x 145R
Projectile Type/Weight: HE/608g
Muzzle Velocity: 610m/sec
Muzzle Energy Joules: 113,00

VYa 23mm
Metric Calibre: 23 x 152B
Projectile Type/Weight: API/200g
Muzzle Velocity: 880m/sec
Muzzle Energy Joules: 77,400

NS-37 37mm
Metric Calibre: 37 x 195
Projectile Type/Weight: AP/735
Muzzle Velocity: 900m/sec
Muzzle Energy Joules: 298,000