flak panzer variants

[ramzey]

Originally posted by TrueKill
he moslty play in the CT yea and id rather have the WIRBELWIND over the Ostwind any day  

Ramzey states: "you know 500 lbs bomb will suck crew thrue haches from this junk?"

i dont think a plane could get close enough to drop a 500lber

why you think like that?
if i can kill single aaa gun by 50 kg bomb in warbirds from 2 km alt, why i would not hit ostwind?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by SEgunner

Arlo,
I didn't think you highjacked my thread.   I'm not offended or upset at all.    Free speech and the internet go hand in hand.   Glad you posted your views and opinions here.      To be brutally honest with you I am far better in a GV than I am in a plane.  I have lots of practice to get in before I can hold my own in most furballs or 1 VS 1.      Really haven't been playing this game for very long.  I think I started back in March or April.   Still learning and practicing alot.    AH1 shut down and now I'm trying to relearn all over again in AH2.    I have never competed in the CT as of yet.   I would think I would fail miserably untill I can learn better tactics and have a better SA.    

You'll get there. Alot of us are still working on it.

BTW ... I've been pushing the Shermie for over a year now. If that and a T-34 get modeled .... I'll probably get more apathetic about what GVs are modeled next.

[Heretic]

Arlo,

Understood.   I think many players would like to see the Sherman and the T-34 modeled.    Maybe one day HT will model those GV's and the planes that everyone would like to have in the game and we will all get our wishes fullfilled.   I'm still new to the game and the BBS so I have much to learn and to catch up up on.    

Thanks for the responses and keep on posting your thoughts.  I enjoy reading all of the responses.  
Take care,

Joe

[MOIL]

Ramzey states: "why you think like that?
if i can kill single aaa gun by 50 kg bomb in warbirds from 2 km alt, why i would not hit ostwind?"

Thats just it, you prob would and kill most of us. The reason why I've been trying to get more emphasis put on AA guns in general.
If a squad or country "really" wanted to take a base, came in with a wave of bombers, then Jabo's there is little we can do to protect our airfield/town.
The auto-ack at fields now is nothing more than eye candy or a slight nuisance to most pilots. IMO, if your coming to an enemy field {just like in WWII} be prepared for a wall of anti-aircraft fire to come up and meet you & your plane. Have you ever watched actual WWII footage of the Kamakazi's diving on our ships? Take note on how much AA fire they were met with!! And some STILL got through.
Now if you add up what "we" have to defend ourselves with and "you" the enemy have to attack with, we have little chance to stop the onslaught.

Have a great day!

[MOIL]

Originally posted by Karnak
Um, that would be true if the Wirbelwind carried four MG151/20s, but it doesn't.  It was armed with four 20mm FlaK 38s, and FlaK 38s are far more lethal with a higher muzzle velocity than the Hispano Mk II.

The MG151/20 and even the excessively heavy Hispano Mk II were designed as aircraft weapons and that means that there had to be sacrifices to keep the weight down.  There is much less concern with keeping the weight down when designing a ground vehicle mounted weapon.


Mauser MG151/20:
Metric calibre: 20 x 82
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/115
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 710
Muzzle energy joules: 29,000

Hispano Mk II 20mm HS404/804:
Metric calibre: 20 x 110
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/130
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 880
Muzzle energy joules: 50,300

Solothurn FlaK 30+38:
Metric calibre: 20 x 138b
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/119
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 900
Muzzle energy joules: 47,000


Gun data from : Rapid Fire, by Anthony Williams

Karnak, you are correct about the guns
"Wirbelwind and Ostwind were fitted with very similar (especially designed) open-top (Wirbelwind's turret had 9 side panels and Ostwind's had 6 side panels) turrets mounted in the place of standard turrets. Ostwind's turret was nicknamed Keksdose - cookie tin. Main difference was that Wirbelwind was armed with quadruple 20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 guns while Ostwind was armed with single 37mm Flak 43 L/89 gun"

Thanks for your post