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Offline Boroda

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Question on bank crisis of the early-30s
« on: July 07, 2004, 12:32:04 PM »
Can anyone, please, give me some usefull links on the American banking system crisis of the 30s, and Roosevelt's countermeasures? Or maybe explain it briefly here... I have read about it in FDR's biography, but can't find the book now. :(

Gentlemen, prepare to get some entertaining news from Russia in a matter of days. It has begun at least 6 months before I predicted.

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2004, 12:43:23 PM »
I know of two projects that were created at that period in time. One being The Empire State building construction which took only 13 months to complete!! Either A&E or Learning channel has a very good documentary on the plans and construction.
The other big project was San Fransico's Golden Gate Bridge. As I understand it, both of the enormous undertakings were given the go ahead to help create jobs and reverse the effects of the depression.

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Re: Question on bank crisis of the early-30s
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2004, 12:47:29 PM »
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Can anyone, please, give me some usefull links on the American banking system crisis of the 30s, and Roosevelt's countermeasures?


The main legacies would be the creation of the FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) and the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) to regulate banking and securities, respectively.

Search for the history of those organizations.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2004, 01:38:43 PM »
What we got now is a chain reaction of people taking their money from the banks. Two of the biggest banks are already belly-up (GUTA and Alfa). Government representatives said that we have "no signs of crisis in banking system", and for every Russian it means exactly opposite: the banking system will be ruined completely in a matter of days. Whatever our government says - it means absolutely opposite. When they'll say that we don't have any war with US or China planned - I will take my backpack and run away to some distant forest far from any possible targets. Bloody bastards.

What we have now: what remanied from Soviet social programms is now destroyed completely by new laws prepared by puppet parliament. New law on realty and accomodation will throw over 50% of population from their apartments. Banking system is again used as a safe way to rob the people from their savings. Banking crisis will also help to get rid of small and medium scale private enterprises. What we need now is a good war to finish what still remains from Russian Empire, break it into medieval principalities and by next spring we will have a nice unpopulated empty land where Russia was.

The only option will be a fascist dictatorship with feudal laws and obligatory labour for a dozen families of "new aristocracy", ration cards and concentration camps for "unnessesary population".

Thanks to democracy: stupid trash who voted for comrade Putin and his gang will get what they deserve.

Unfortunately this mess will also ruin Ukraine and Kazakhstan, but they will eagerly accept the "assistance" from the West making their future similar to what I described for Russia :(

Please note that I was standing when I wrote about comrade Putin. <- this is for comrade Major in case he's reading this.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2004, 02:07:16 PM »
it seems so unfair that the west conspired to ruin the great communist workers paradise.

lazs

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2004, 02:15:46 PM »
Hopefully Boroda things will change to make it better but I am of the opinion that Russia's chance for "democracy" was screwed up sometime around 1917. I may not have agreed with your opinions and posts but so be it друг. Keep your head down and try to stay out of trouble. Remember that when the "no war" comments start flying you may only have a few hours to get the hell out of dodge.
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Question on bank crisis of the early-30s
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2004, 08:45:19 PM »
IIRC, the bank crisis manly revolved around the average citizen wanting to take their money out of the banks due to the colapse (financially) of several banks.  Since banks only hold a small percentage of cash on hand in relation to the amount of money their customer has in their "savings" or "checking" accounts, a "run" on the bank (where everyone shows up and tries to withdraw all of their money from the bank) results in the bank giving away all of its cash reserve on hand, and yet it would still be unable to give the rest of their customers their cash after that reserve is eliminated.  

The main fix proposed and accepted by congress was the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).  The FDIC is basically a voluntary agreement between the bank and the government whereby the money deposited into an account would be charged a certain fraction of a percent (on interest IIRC), which would go to the government, who would hold it to pay the depositer in case their money was rendered unavailable (due to theft, bank failure, ect.)

One of the biggest problems that I see in the Russian banking sector (as a foreigner) is that when the last bank/rouble crisis errupted, and the IMF (or maybe the World Bank-can't remember which anymore)  bailed the banks out, the money didn't go to pay back depositers across the board, it went to the well connected, and wealthy, with only a pittiance going to the people who actually needed the money most.

I'd be curious to see if they get another bailout, and what will happen to the money this time.  

Good luck, and I hope everything turns out okay.

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Re: Question on bank crisis of the early-30s
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2004, 08:55:53 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Can anyone, please, give me some usefull links on the American banking system crisis of the 30s, and Roosevelt's countermeasures? Or maybe explain it briefly here... I have read about it in FDR's biography, but can't find the book now. :(

Gentlemen, prepare to get some entertaining news from Russia in a matter of days. It has begun at least 6 months before I predicted.


Boroda, its refered to as the New Deal. Here is a link on that and a book on the subject.

The New Deal

OK I admit it Im still lurking.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2004, 01:41:49 PM »
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it seems so unfair that the west conspired to ruin the great communist workers paradise.

lazs


Lazs, if you mean that you are and always have been our best friends - it's not true. You (your leadership) doesn't give a flying f@#k about our "freedom", "prosperity", "human rights" and will be quite happy if all the population of Russia will suddenly disappear.

I have told you my opinion about "workers paradise". This people at the top want to turn back to Soviet times, and make it even worse.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2004, 02:04:29 PM »
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IIRC, the bank crisis manly revolved around the average citizen wanting to take their money out of the banks due to the colapse (financially) of several banks.  Since banks only hold a small percentage of cash on hand in relation to the amount of money their customer has in their "savings" or "checking" accounts, a "run" on the bank (where everyone shows up and tries to withdraw all of their money from the bank) results in the bank giving away all of its cash reserve on hand, and yet it would still be unable to give the rest of their customers their cash after that reserve is eliminated.  


This is exactly what we have now. The problem is that this process is provocated by government and our "free press". One of the reasons is to seize the banks that are unable to pay cash to customers. GUTA-bank is already bought by Vneshtorgbank, a relic from Soviet times, a bank that was used for all Soviet foreign trade. We see some structures trying to get control of banking business -> going back to Soviet system of state (or some olygarch group) monopoly.

Alfa bank declared that cashing "timed" accounts will be charged by 10% additional fee. I wonder if they will get sued for violating the contract with clients.

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The main fix proposed and accepted by congress was the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).  The FDIC is basically a voluntary agreement between the bank and the government whereby the money deposited into an account would be charged a certain fraction of a percent (on interest IIRC), which would go to the government, who would hold it to pay the depositer in case their money was rendered unavailable (due to theft, bank failure, ect.)


This is what our government talks about now. So far the only bank where deposits are insured by State is Sberbank - another relic from Soviet (or even Imperial) times. It's controlled by the state, has the smallest percent for deposits and holds up to maybe 80% of all people's savings.

The idea of deposit insurance is good only on paper in Russia. It's obvious that they will use this insurance to get control of private banks or push them out of the market. When I hear the word "insurance" I wand to take my gun out. Obligatory insurance is only another word for robbery of the people by some financial groups. Look at our obligatory automobile insurance: we have highest payments and lowest compensation in Europe (including other ex-USSR countries).

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One of the biggest problems that I see in the Russian banking sector (as a foreigner) is that when the last bank/rouble crisis errupted, and the IMF (or maybe the World Bank-can't remember which anymore)  bailed the banks out, the money didn't go to pay back depositers across the board, it went to the well connected, and wealthy, with only a pittiance going to the people who actually needed the money most.

I'd be curious to see if they get another bailout, and what will happen to the money this time.  

Good luck, and I hope everything turns out okay.


Well, this is probably why Western media focuses on Yukos case, and skips the current situation that can lead to unpredictable things. I try to stay away from banks and advise all my friends to do so. The only option is to have an account in some foreign bank, but you need to be really Rich ;)

In 1998 the most horrible thing was that all payments between banks were stopped, and, as you can guess, it lead to the collapse of many businesses all over the country. For example: our clients send us money, the bank accepts payment and then keeps the money because some stupid governor banned all money transfers outside his small steppe republic on Volga...

Current situation looks like the goal is to destroy privateley owned small/medium enterprises. This will mean the return to controlled monopolies. And it will mean the return to Soviet economical model, but this time without Soviet social programms and benefits. And that will mean the feudal society in it's worst.

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2004, 02:05:56 PM »
I forgot to say Thank you, friends! ;)

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2004, 02:06:46 PM »
So Boroda, should we deport our Russian engineers now so that they have time to pull that Boeing money out of their bank accounts?

Incidently, their favorite command while working with 3-dimensional interactive computer design is "Copy...Paste" :rofl

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2004, 02:22:52 PM »
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So Boroda, should we deport our Russian engineers now so that they have time to pull that Boeing money out of their bank accounts?


If they work in the US and keep their money in Russian banks - I think you should immediately fire them all. I suppose you don't need mentaly disabled people in Boeing?... ;)