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Offline rpm

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2004, 02:30:13 PM »
While I believe we should attempt to avoid war by diplomatic or ecomonic means as we did with the USSR, these guys are just deserters. You take an oath, you follow orders, you are a soldier.
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2004, 02:33:14 PM »
"Buhbye losers... Oh, and don't come back :D"

I like it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2004, 02:36:38 PM »
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Do you support this kind of behavior xrtoronto?


If they were fleeing conscription, based on conscientious objection,  I would see this in a different light...but that is not the case. No, I don't support this.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2004, 02:45:13 PM »
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They are disserters.  They should have had the balls to stand trial for thier beliefs.  They swore and oath to defend the US Constitution.  If they feel the war goes against the principles of their Constitution, they have a duty to take it to the Judiciary.


I guess they had some faith in their government that they wouldn't have to go to some Arab state and fight some illegal/immoral war..They should get decorated for showing some balls.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2004, 03:12:21 PM »
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I guess they had some faith in their government that they wouldn't have to go to some Arab state and fight some illegal/immoral war..They should get decorated for showing some balls.


  Balls or no balls is irrelavant.  What your ordered to do is not up for debate once your orders are recieved from your superiors.  These people are cowards hiding behind so called principles.  Well, they should have considered their principles before they signed up.  Their actions only serve to futher the supposedly low moral (which oh by the way I have yet to encounter), and in reality could contribute to lossed lives once a likely already undermanned unit reaches Iraq.  Screw my brothers... it's all about me <<
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2004, 03:22:45 PM »
Course if he'd had a wealthy, politically connected father who could have used his clout to land him a cushy state side Guard position, from which he could then disappear from for a year to do some political shilling for a Republican party member, all you firing squad volunteers would think that was ok?
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2004, 03:27:02 PM »
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Course if he'd had a wealthy, politically connected father who could have used his clout to land him a cushy state side Guard position, from which he could then disappear from for a year to do some political shilling for a Republican party member, all you firing squad volunteers would think that was ok?


I don't think it okay, but it is a world away from outright desertion.
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2004, 03:29:20 PM »
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What a whiney piece of chit...

Do you support this kind of behavior xrtoronto?

Hell I knew I recognized these morons...

Judge for yourself...
 

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0414/solomon.php

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In my neighborhood and especially where I grew up those three dumba** punks would have gotten non-stop beatings.

Back on subject though any member of the US military who deserts their post is not a "refugee" at all. They are a deserter and as such have to face the consequences. Its just a shame that when they (Canada) deport that guy with his family he may not get the death penalty but at the very least his young child will grow up without a father around the house. The other young kid will be lucky to get away with his life. At the very least we will be housing his sorry butt for many, many years until some liberal in Congress pushes for his release and "pardon".
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2004, 03:36:27 PM »
well there have always been deserters always will be differance is main stream media try to make heros of them.To bad instead of football he could have watched the towers going down again,then again that would take courage to. I tell u this the reporter was a bald face lier when he said the moral has plummeted our men and women are proud of the things they are accomplishing just dont hear about them from the media.I have heard from u know i wont say who from ... i have heard  the boots on the ground will not stand for being treated the way the vietnam vets were when they came home.They said they will not be spit on  and called baby killers with out retaliation.I dont really know what to say about that.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2004, 03:48:04 PM »
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"Buhbye losers... Oh, and don't come back :D"

I like it.


they'll come back when they are about 65, white hair and hunched over driving 25 in a 45 mph zone between Oct and April every year all over west  central/south FL..

xrtoronto
you'd give these cowards shelter?
just what is the meaning of the thread?
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2004, 03:52:08 PM »
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xrtoronto
you'd give these cowards shelter?
just what is the meaning of the thread?


my response is 6 posts above this one in response to Grun...

I posted it cuz I saw this on the Toronto news last evening, but saw it in no US papers online....apparently alot of you didn't know about it?
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2004, 03:57:38 PM »
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I guess they had some faith in their government that they wouldn't have to go to some Arab state and fight some illegal/immoral war..They should get decorated for showing some balls.


What does faith in the Government have to do with anything? The war is technically legal. It was initiated by the CIC with the support of the elected Congress. It may be wrong, the worst mistake we've made in some time, but that is something you protest in the voting booth. You sign on the line you do your time and hope the electorate and your reps have their heads out of their asses.

It's all this "Army of One" crap, like I saw at Taste of Chicago with the dayglow humvee and the photogenic recruiters shooting hoops with the potential meat :)

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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2004, 03:58:48 PM »
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I guess they had some faith in their government that they wouldn't have to go to some Arab state and fight some illegal/immoral war..They should get decorated for showing some balls.


Replacing a brutal dictatorship with democracy is immoral?  What planet are you from?
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2004, 04:04:00 PM »
Mohammed Ali is a Hero of mine.  He got drafted and decided he didnt want to fight a war he didnt beleive for a govt. that said he was seperate but equal.  As a result he went to prison and did his time.  

These guys are cowards.  I certainly dont want to go to Iraq but if I get orders....I go!

Moore played on this particular feeling in his movie saying that poor kids are joining the military than having to fight a war....Kids who sign up for college benefits and no expectation to pick up a rifle and pack are MORONs to the Nth degree.  

You do not have the luxury of questioning orders in the Military unless they are blatently immoral (IE shoot that mother and baby were they stand)

These kids have NO BALLS for deserting quite the opposite.  If they had BALLS they would have refused orders and stood court martial for their convictions....not run away.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2004, 04:04:24 PM »
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Replacing a brutal dictatorship with democracy is immoral?  What planet are you from?


should read FORCED Democracy....

you did go over there and shove it down there throat....
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