N1K2.. if its soooo terrible PROVE it!

[Gie]

nobody likes to be killed by 1 ping...
it's guns, not the plane.
And statistic shows nothing - personally i run away from niki's, except we are 1vs1, in this way i am not killed by n1k2's.

[Kirin]

What I am curious about is:

If HTC themselfs think there is something wrong with the N1K2 (and maybe others) E-retention. After all it's there game and they can do what they want. Things being realistic or not is a futile discussion since only few of us flew those planes in WW2...    Just wonder what HTC thinks on that issue!



[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 11-26-2000).]

[SKurj]

Well I guess all I am tryin to say is..

I see more p51's, spits and typhoons than N1K2's

SKurj

[washedup]

 

Originally posted by SKurj:
I see more p51's, spits and typhoons than N1K2's

cc and the nikis you usually see are dweeb pilots and aren't a threat.

So everybody please take a few deep breaths and RELAX about the niki.

Enjoy the flying...

[hblair]

Welp, I skipped reading most of this thread, looked like the usual stuff. I checked my score against nikki's, and it confirmed what I was thinking. Nikki's are usually just food, plain and simple. Whats the big deal?

hblair has 27 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.

[Duckwing6]

Dunno .. i'll just throw some stats in FWIW  

Tour 10
Duckwng6 has 16 kills and has been killed 6 times in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
Duckwng6 has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1C
Duckwng6 has 15 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-1D against the Spitfire Mk IX.

Tour 9
Duckwng6 has 15 kills and has been killed 2 times in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
Duckwng6 has 19 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1C.
Duckwng6 has 27 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-1D against the Spitfire Mk IX.

Don't see that many F4Us flying around at all actually...

and yea the Nikis got so much more dangerous in thelast tour .. FOUL !!!!  

DW6

[Mayhem]

Well I just got my sorry but chastised by Jekyll for flying a Fantasy plane (N1k2-j). I did manage to knock down his p51 sevreral times with it and I think he was upset (otherwise he just hates my guts)
 I will admit it turns a little to good. but dam I spent a monthy learning the stupid thing. Ive spent twice as long learnign the f4u just to watch a zeke climb with me from take off to 25k. I had wep on he didn't.
 I have researched the george in many of its revisions and even talked to people who flew it. It was a dam good plane (do not confuse a n1k2-j with a n1k1-j) probably one of the best of wwII if not the best. IF HTC wanted to make it perfectly accurate they would have to change the gun loadout to 450 rnds per inner gun 400rnds per outer gun. Model the autoflaps turn its turn rate, e retention down just a little, give it alot of torque (had the same problem as the f4u it was an ensighn eliminator) and the air craft would be perfect. just modeling the autoflaps is probably a nightmare.

I like the n1k2 Its still not the perfect aircraft the only thing it is good at is dogfighting and defcap. Ide still rather fly my f4u1c for assualt and barcap. each aircraft is suited for a roll the n1k2 doesn't do everything well (dive with it from 15 to 5k and pull up hard). but if a zeke can climb with a hog on take off and a hogs top level speed is 300kias then its not the only plane with bad model. I will give HTC this much at least they got away from the Air warrior air craft comparison modeling that alot of flight sims haven't. It's buggy It's new it's still better then warbirds and Air warrior.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Lephturn]

I think you folks have mis-understood the concept of "prove it"

Quoting kill stats or analogies will not prove anything.  If you think something is wrong with the N1K2's flight model, then the only way to prove it is to do some testing.  Test it's climb, speed, turning ability, and E retention.  Then try and get some documentation to compare your numbers to.  If your numbers in the game don't match what the documentation says, then we can ask Pyro for an explanation.  If the tests show an error, I know Pyro will take care of it, as he has in the past.

Until you do some testing and get some hard data from the AH flight model, you are just pissing in the wind.  If you think something is wrong and want it fixed, do the tests.  Otherwise you are just whining IMHO.

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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs  http://www.flyingpigs.com


"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[JimBear]

Thankyou Lephturn,

That was exactly the type of information I was hoping to find buried in this thread. But to no avail. Is there a sylabus/checklist for testing A/C performance that is agreed upon for garnering usefull data? ie, take plane "X" to 10,000' with 50% fuel load and execute such and such maneuvers, document/film, next set of manuevers etc?  


JimBear

[JoeMud]

I try to keep my self playing by thinking about 1.05 but im realy close to hitting that "button" again.

[StSanta]

SKurj, I don't doubt your sincerity. Maybe you're flying against countries where N1K,s chogs and Spits aren't that usual. But look at the stats!

The F4U-1C has 11463 kills and has been killed 7788 times.

The N1K2 has 8372 kills and has been killed 7739 times.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 9554 kills and has been killed 9366 times.

The P-51D has 6777 kills and has been killed 6632 times

The Fw 190A-8 has 2285 kills and has been killed 1761 times.

In the MA, chogs, Spits and then N1's are still most popular.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Lephturn]

Yeah Santa, but it doesn't really matter what is the most popular.  At least it's more than just all Spits.    Every game goes through this.  As more and more planes are added, it becomes less and less of an issue in my experience.

JimBear,

I would suggest posting in the Aircraft & Vehicles forum if you want some hints.  If you have some kind of test in mind, there are a few guys around who have experience doing them.  I'm sure they'll be glad to have another hand willing to help run the tests and will be glad to help you get the framework you need for running tests and collecting data.  Start a new post in that forum and I'll throw in there if I can help.    That forum is normally where the folks with the hard data to compare things to tend to hang out as well. <G>

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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs  http://www.flyingpigs.com


"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[AKDejaVu]

 

In the MA, chogs, Spits and then N1's are still most popular.

And your point is?  How many planes have to be "most popular" before the whining stops.

Remember when it was just the F4u-1C?  Remember when the thread title was "All I see are c-hogs" or "all I see are dweebfires".  Now its "All I see are CHogs... and N1K2s... and SpitFires... and P-51s... and G-10s..."

Oh.. yeah.. The Bf 109G-10 has 5474 kills and has been killed 4542 times.  I guess it should rank higher in your opinion?  In your opinion.. what plane SHOULD people be flying?

Certain planes will always be favored.  There will always be un-eveness in the arena.  The only way to avoid that is to make it a one aircraft arena.

Right now.. the top 3 aircraft come from 3 different countries.  It could be alot worse.

AKDejaVu

[StSanta]

Dejavu, you opinionated allied opportunist  .

My point is that there are plenty of them around, more than P-51's. SKurj said that in his experience, this was not the case.

So I did what everyone asks for in these matters; I got the numbers out.

All allieds must die, and will do so. Even that Jesus dude; i figure if we just kill him enough, eventually he'll grow tired.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[SKurj]

Lephturn

My post was aimed at the whiners!!
It was intended to prove that this super duper, Uber, only thing seen by most in the MA, N1K2, is the figment of peoples' imagination, almost a form of mass hysteria.

If there were clouds of N1K's in the MA I would have more kills and been killed more times by the N1K.  If it is sooo Uber I would have been killed by it more than my stats show.  I am in the MA 20-40 hrs a week, so I think my stats are relevant.

AKSKurj