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Offline eskimo2

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Added Ram, game is worse, sound goes out.
« on: July 02, 2004, 07:35:57 AM »
I added a second stick of 512 DDR Ram (Crucial) to my game machine today. Things have gone downhill. The sound keeps going out, after 3 to 20 minutes, I get no sound or buzzing. Frame rates do not seem any better.

Operating System System Model
Windows Millennium Edition (build 4.90.3000) ECS K7AMA 1.0
Asset Tag: 0123ABC
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
1.40 gigahertz AMD Athlon
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ECS K7AMA 1.0
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 062710 07/15/97
Drives Memory Modules c,d
40.01 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
29.06 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

CD-R/RW CW099D CD-R/RW [CD-ROM drive]
HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-2500 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

Generic STORAGE DEVICE [Hard drive] -- drive 255, rev 0.01
WDC WD400BB-34DEA0 [Hard drive] (40.02 GB) -- drive 0, s/n WD-WCAD12822072, rev 05.03E05, SMART Status: Healthy 1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot '0' has 512 MB
Slot '1' has 512 MB
Slot '2' is Empty
Slot '3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (on drive 0) 40.01 GB 29.06 GB free


Controllers Display
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
ALi M5229 PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 [Display adapter]
Default Monitor
ViewSonic A90f+ [Monitor] (17.7"vis, s/n 351031950334, May 2003)
Bus Adapters Multimedia
ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller ALi Audio Accelerator WDM driver
Gameport Joystick (no joystick connected)
HID-compliant game controller
HID-compliant game controller
HID-compliant game controller
Communications Other Devices
Realtek RTL8139(A) PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Network Card MAC Address: 000:09:C6:6C:20
Network IP Address: 24.93.170.83 / 24 CH Control Manager Root Device
CH Fighterstick USB
CH Pro Pedals USB
CH Pro Throttle USB
CH Control Manager Aux1 Device
CH Control Manager Aux2 Device
CH Control Manager Device 1
CH Control Manager Device 2
CH Control Manager Device 3
HID-compliant keyboard
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
HID-compliant mouse
USB Disk
Generic USB Hub
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2004, 07:45:34 AM »
Mmmm I'm not sure that this Millenium (P)OS can handle more than 512 MB.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 07:55:40 AM »
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Originally posted by deSelys
Mmmm I'm not sure that this Millenium (P)OS can handle more than 512 MB.


I went to the Crucial site, it's what they reccomended...  I should look at the MOBO user's guide just to make sure though.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2004, 08:05:26 AM »
Microsoft Support: "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

And to force Win 98 SE or Me to use your RAM before using the swap file (very useful when you have more than 256 MB RAM):

From AXCEL216's windows tricks and secrets

The 12-29-99 Win98/ME ŠTrick in TIPS98.TXT, part of W95-11D.EXE:



CONSERVATIVE SWAP


This Win98/ME (all releases) tip was unearthed thanks to Paul (paulandcathy@earthlink.net).
"I found this thread at the Windows 98 Annoyances Forum. I've applied the tweak, but too soon to tell if it causes any problems. Does seem to add a performance boost:"

Q [Horst Mueller]:

"Having trouble with Win98 swap file, sometimes it indicates 50 MB then it will soar to over 100, giving me false readings on available disk space. I have 128 MB RAM. I have reinstalled Win98, all programs and all Win98 updates which takes me about 12 hours each time."

A [Dan A. Wilson]:

"I've suggested this several times here before, and I use it and swear by it as a tweak for both speeding up Win98 and controlling the outlandish sizes of swapfiles when you have a ton of available hard memory (128 MB).
Quoted from this MSKB article:

Windows 98 added a new feature, PageFile_Call_Async_Manager, that allows the Memory Manager to asynchronously write out page file (swap file) buffers during periods of time when VFAT file system activity is not busy...
You can disable this feature, causing the system to behave as Windows 95 does, at some cost in overall system performance. Add the following entry to the SYSTEM.INI file under its [386Enh] section:

[386Enh]
ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1

The "cost in overall system performance" never came up on mine. Things just got better all around.
This tweak will force the notoriously bad Win98 Memory Manager to use your available chip memory for its functions first, and all uses of chip memory are *much faster* than any use of read-write HD file memory.
It's worth a try.
My Win98 computer purrs with this tweak, and is much faster than it was without it, and the swap file, which used to never be less than 40 MB and was often over 100 MB is now almost always zero or nearly zero.
After you add the new line, save SYSTEM.INI and reboot.
If there's any reduction in performance or any problem, just edit SYSTEM.INI again to remove the line, save the file and reboot...

The ridiculous Memory (mis-)Manager is now USING your 128 MB of RAM, instead of roaring off to the HD swapfile every time 40% of your available memory has been tapped, and the result is that your swapfile now sits at zero most of the time, while your hard memory is serving all of your needs. If, in fact, you ever push your memory to about 85% usage, a swap file of 10 to 15 MB may be created, but it will disappear when you close down the (30 memory-hungry) things you're running at once and shut down the machine. The next time you boot up, there will be a zero swap file.
If you ever configure a Win98 computer that has 64 MB of RAM or less, this fix probably won't work. It depends on a massive quantity of available memory to work."

CONCLUSION:

Try the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1 tweak on your computer and use the built-in Win9x/ME System Monitor (%windir%\SYSMON.EXE) tool to keep track of free/used resources (add the Disk Cache and Memory Manager items to the monitor window), enable logging (click File -> Start logging... -> choose a path for Sysmon.log -> click Save), and then run a few apps/games you know are RAM/disk intensive.
Repeat these steps, this time using the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=0 setting.
Then open Sysmon.log in Notepad and look for differences. If there are any, keep the SYSTEM.INI line that brings the most performance boost to your machine.
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Re: Added Ram, game is worse, sound goes out.
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2004, 04:32:53 PM »
I don't have the link at this second because my foot is half way out the door, to go somewhere. But I do not think Win9x , ME  will handle more then 512 of memory.

There is a slight fix to this at the Microsoft Knowledge base,... just do a search for win98 512 memory issues.

When I get back, I'll try to find it and post it. But more then 512 I don't think is going to happen, you're going to have to tell win to use 512, then use conservative swap.

Hope that helps, as lame as a reply that it was.

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Re: Re: Added Ram, game is worse, sound goes out.
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2004, 10:38:49 PM »
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
I don't have the link at this second because my foot is half way out the door, to go somewhere. But I do not think Win9x , ME  will handle more then 512 of memory.

There is a slight fix to this at the Microsoft Knowledge base,... just do a search for win98 512 memory issues.

When I get back, I'll try to find it and post it. But more then 512 I don't think is going to happen, you're going to have to tell win to use 512, then use conservative swap.

Hope that helps, as lame as a reply that it was.

Anim


I'm not sure IF this applies in your situation, but this is th e link I was referring to.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253912

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2004, 02:28:30 AM »
FT_Anim, you're a poor copycat ;) :p
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2004, 11:34:04 AM »
Seriously, ditch winME.  Either go back to win98SE or up to winXP.  My wife's laptop running winME was horribly unstable until I got winXP for it.  Don't worry about getting winXP Pro... XP Home is probably just fine unless you're doing a lot of networking stuff that goes beyond a reasonably simple home lan.  An upgrade edition should only cost $90 and you can find OEM versions even cheaper as long as you don't mind the slightly more restrictive license that comes with the OEM version.

Both my wife's laptop and my main gaming rig went from win98/winME to winXP home using the normal "upgrade" installation without any real problems, and both computers are more stable now than they were before.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2004, 05:20:58 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by deSelys
Microsoft Support: "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

And to force Win 98 SE or Me to use your RAM before using the swap file (very useful when you have more than 256 MB RAM):

From AXCEL216's windows tricks and secrets

The 12-29-99 Win98/ME ŠTrick in TIPS98.TXT, part of W95-11D.EXE:



CONSERVATIVE SWAP


This Win98/ME (all releases) tip was unearthed thanks to Paul (paulandcathy@earthlink.net).
"I found this thread at the Windows 98 Annoyances Forum. I've applied the tweak, but too soon to tell if it causes any problems. Does seem to add a performance boost:"

Q [Horst Mueller]:

"Having trouble with Win98 swap file, sometimes it indicates 50 MB then it will soar to over 100, giving me false readings on available disk space. I have 128 MB RAM. I have reinstalled Win98, all programs and all Win98 updates which takes me about 12 hours each time."

A [Dan A. Wilson]:

"I've suggested this several times here before, and I use it and swear by it as a tweak for both speeding up Win98 and controlling the outlandish sizes of swapfiles when you have a ton of available hard memory (128 MB).
Quoted from this MSKB article:

Windows 98 added a new feature, PageFile_Call_Async_Manager, that allows the Memory Manager to asynchronously write out page file (swap file) buffers during periods of time when VFAT file system activity is not busy...
You can disable this feature, causing the system to behave as Windows 95 does, at some cost in overall system performance. Add the following entry to the SYSTEM.INI file under its [386Enh] section:

[386Enh]
ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1

The "cost in overall system performance" never came up on mine. Things just got better all around.
This tweak will force the notoriously bad Win98 Memory Manager to use your available chip memory for its functions first, and all uses of chip memory are *much faster* than any use of read-write HD file memory.
It's worth a try.
My Win98 computer purrs with this tweak, and is much faster than it was without it, and the swap file, which used to never be less than 40 MB and was often over 100 MB is now almost always zero or nearly zero.
After you add the new line, save SYSTEM.INI and reboot.
If there's any reduction in performance or any problem, just edit SYSTEM.INI again to remove the line, save the file and reboot...

The ridiculous Memory (mis-)Manager is now USING your 128 MB of RAM, instead of roaring off to the HD swapfile every time 40% of your available memory has been tapped, and the result is that your swapfile now sits at zero most of the time, while your hard memory is serving all of your needs. If, in fact, you ever push your memory to about 85% usage, a swap file of 10 to 15 MB may be created, but it will disappear when you close down the (30 memory-hungry) things you're running at once and shut down the machine. The next time you boot up, there will be a zero swap file.
If you ever configure a Win98 computer that has 64 MB of RAM or less, this fix probably won't work. It depends on a massive quantity of available memory to work."

CONCLUSION:

Try the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1 tweak on your computer and use the built-in Win9x/ME System Monitor (%windir%\SYSMON.EXE) tool to keep track of free/used resources (add the Disk Cache and Memory Manager items to the monitor window), enable logging (click File -> Start logging... -> choose a path for Sysmon.log -> click Save), and then run a few apps/games you know are RAM/disk intensive.
Repeat these steps, this time using the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=0 setting.
Then open Sysmon.log in Notepad and look for differences. If there are any, keep the SYSTEM.INI line that brings the most performance boost to your machine.


I tried this and still have the sound problems.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2004, 03:25:42 AM »
GET RID OF THAT O.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Move to XP, please, do yourself a favor. Do not try to  "patch" & "fix" WinMe
IT WILL NOT WORK:mad:

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2004, 06:57:42 AM »
can't tell

is sound on a card or is it built in?

if a card, did you reseat it?

and I third the motion, spend the bucks on XP Pro, you'll be glad you did

there is a reason they don't sell it in the stores anymore :)
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2004, 01:21:35 PM »
I am using Win2K Pro upgraded from 98SE.

Very good OS...very stable and easy to work with.

Also cheap.  It's based on the NTFS.
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