How the heck do you 109 boys do it?

[montag]

The 109 is for the experienced AH pilot. Please see la-7, niki ,and spitfire. That is all.

[montag]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
The cockpit view to the front in the 109 is horrible.

I am constantly losing my target do to the heavy framing. Is there a trick or something or do you have the head movement maped to a hat?

Heres some advise on gunnery in a 109. Get in real close, make sure hes an enemy. Then shoot at < 200 yards. Make each shot counts. Try and fly with that idea in your head and the strategy and ACM part will fall through after time a practice. You only have 150 rounds so in order to get ten kills thats 15 rounds per plane hit or miss.

[GtoRA2]

Montag,
 I do not shoot at anything over 200 yards. I have an OK grasp of ACM.


I do not fly the LA7 or any of the "dweeb" rides much, the only reason I was flying the 109s was do that was what was being used in the CT.


Still, As closer I get the more the damn framing in the cockpit of the 109 bothers me and causes me to lose site of the target.

[Kweassa]

It's either of the two if you are flying in Bf109s...

1) outmaneuver the enemy, and land directly behind him at 200 yards

 or

2) master the art of the MK108

 
 Since my gunnery is horrible, I try to do 1). I'll bet a lot of average 109 pilots try to do the same thing too.

 This usually makes killing stuff incredibly hard in 109s, and potentially hazardous to one's survival. You have to maneuver a lot, close in behind a target, and keep running him to corners with high, low yoyos and wingovers and etc etc.. to finally juice out all of his E state, and then drive in the  coup-de-grace.

 Now, the handful of the experten do 2). They do maneuver in to very close ranges - that part is the same as 1). But when the enemy starts maneuvering, they just nab it out of the sky with 1~5 rounds of 30mms.

[montag]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Montag,
 I do not shoot at anything over 200 yards. I have an OK grasp of ACM.

This is my rule only in the 109 due to low ammo count.

I do not fly the LA7 or any of the "dweeb" rides much, the only reason I was flying the 109s was do that was what was being used in the CT.

Im still learning the 109 myself. Acually la-7, niki, and spits are great airplanes. I just like the grey camo on the lufftwaffe planes.

Still, As closer I get the more the damn framing in the cockpit of the 109 bothers me and causes me to lose site of the target.

Why do you zoom in to the gunsite. I do not zoom in at all in any of the aircraft I have flown in AH. Ease your mind jedi, use the force?

Just curious, how to you approach your target when flying the 109. BTW, I've tangled with some very good 109 pilots so I know there are others out there who are good with that plan.

[hubsonfire]

The 109F-4 is a very capable airplane, and with the gondolas, carries 1000 mg rounds and 400 20mm cannon rounds. It will turn with most planes (well, most of the popular rides), go decently fast, and kill easily at 400.

That being said, its not at all hard to fly, and quite a fun plane to fly.

Zoom if you want (or if you need to), map your forward hat switch to Foward/Up view, set your convergence to 400, grab 75% gas, get some alt, and then get to that part about settling in 200 on someone's 6 and start knocking parts off. Ignore the framing! Wear the watermelon out of the hat switch, watch your enemy, get a feel for where he's going, and the obstruction of the framing won't be so big a deal.

Cheers, Good luck with it

[B17Skull12]

the 109F4 and G2 own the 109 plane set.  the G2 just doesn't turn as well.  Gto have you tried moving your head and finding a good position where you can see the most sky in your views?  all you do is set views the best you can and if you lose them well then you be outta luck.  Usually a quick and small turn or roll should get them back in sight.

[GtoRA2]

I do not use the zoom feature, though I will move closer to the gun site, to the point where I just start cutting of gauges.


I usualy come in from behind, and it is when they are trying to manuever away from me I have problems.  I like to keep my eye on the target and the bars get in the way alot. lol.

I move my head around but it is hard to do in combat cause I do not have a spare hat for it.


I have my convergence set to 200.

Prolly just need more practice, and it was prolly not the best choice of plane after taking over a week off.

Thanks for the tips guys.

[jaxxo]

Experienced pilot plane? That is true..Its a tuff bird to learn..that being said, ropin a couple newbs and calling them dweebs for flyin spits is one thing..Ill take my spit 9 at any alt against a 109 all day. Might not win them all but spit9 is a superior plane IMHO.

[Virage]

It is the G6 and G10 that have a bad view with the addition of the thick crossbar in the middle. (armored glass?)

the F4 and G2 views are fine.

[Krusty]

BAH! Who's gonna fly the -G?

I really like the -E. I'd like to see a LW squad take a flight of 109Es and record a film of the results. Be it CT or MA.

I know I've taken out several planes in the E, including a few Gs, several P38s, various spitfires, and even a couple of spitIXs (okay, okay, the last spit IX I downed in an Emil was a total newbie, but aside from that I've had some luck)

[straffo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whatever Gscholz...

The truth is in the leather undies, they cause severe chafing so we are constatly squirming around the cockpit in discofort. Makes us alert and keeps the head on a swivel.. Willi thought of everything, he did..  

don't give our secret you pinko commie traitor !

Originally posted by Glasses
They are so tight fitting and warm  can't ask for anything more than that mmm mm mm

I'm the only one disgusted by this ?

@GtoRA2

Set your convergence at 200/250 yard don't use zoom and use the kp8 view.

When I decided to swith to the G6 for some time it took me about 1 week to get used to the view (or the lack of thereof ) but it's in no way as hard as the 38 (I gave upa after 2 days ...)

[JB73]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
I move my head around but it is hard to do in combat cause I do not have a spare hat for it.
.

guess i dont understand.. you dont have a view hat at all? using keyboard for views while flying???


if so i can see your problem.

if not in the 109 my head is only looking forward when i am actually shooting.

i have my views saved in placed that from what i can tell others dont use, i have an X45 with rudder pedals, so the "rudder" on the throttle is unused.

i banded it and moving it moves my head left and right, i also have a move head up button mapped.


i can lose an enemy alot easier in a spit or f4u than in a 109 personally.

[Urchin]

Basically in the G6 or G10 you will be using the 30mm.  If you aren't, you should be.  

Instead of trying to keep track of where the enemy is going... put your gunsight where you know he will be when you are ~200 yards from him.  When he arrived in your gunsight, shoot him.  That is pretty much all there is to it.

[simshell]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 109F-4 is a very capable airplane, and with the gondolas, carries 1000 mg rounds and 400 20mm cannon rounds. It will turn with most planes (well, most of the popular rides), go decently fast, and kill easily at 400.


Cheers, Good luck with it

GUN PODS hurt your abilty to fight yes they make shooting easy but the price is to much they turn the G2 into a bad turner they turn the F-4 into a 2 rate turner and adding Gun pods to the 109f-4 is kind of dumb because if you want fire-power then just up a 109g-6 or a 190a-5

trust me dont take the Gun-pods they hurt your abilty to knife fight which the 109f-4 does most of the time

you can kind of get away with the 109g-2 but adding gun pods to that plane is turning it into a light 109g-6