Asscroft & Bush On The Attack...

[SOB]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ditto opinion here too, and SOB stole my "Asscroft" nickname.

I knew I'd heard it before somewhere, and it fits so well, I just can't help but use it.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Yeager
if your religious you can loophole yourself out of that scneario red tail.  Sounds like an emotional sickness your dealing with to even conjure up such a statement.

Ok...(scribbling furiously)...so suicide is sometimes OK? Seems like the fundamental christians can't even decide what is right or wrojng these days.

Bottom line is if people are going to start throwing bibles around and making these wild statements about suicide and hell, (and I don't propose they do) then be prepared to be hit by some in return

PS Yeager, playing devils advocate is not an emotional sickness, but by reducing someone's argument using your strategy suggests maybe arguments are not your strong suit?

[lazs2]

well then.... thanks sob!  you have solved the whole health care expense problem!

since most of the cost is related to malpractice insurance then all we need to do to end the possibility of any malpractice suits in the future is to have....

2 doctors agree.

lazs

[myelo]

Originally posted by slimm50
I have a real problem with making the medical profession the official arbiters of death. Talk about yer silppery slope. Ever since there've been physicians their main credo has been to preserve life, period.

And eventually they always fail, period.

Most of the cardiologists I know exercise daily, don’t smoke, and are very careful about what they eat. Why? Because they see patients die from heart attacks every day and want to avoid that.

Several oncologists (cancer specialists) I know are overweight, never exercise, and eat bacon and eggs every morning. Why? Because they know a heart attack is not a bad way to go.

My point is we all have to die, but some ways of dying are a lot worse than others. Doctors can’t prevent dying so why not let them help patients die with the least amount of suffering and with as much dignity as possible.

...Anyway, nobody has yet explained to me the difference between the two situations I described.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ditto opinion here too, and SOB stole my "Asscroft" nickname.

We promise to stop calling SOB Asscroft and give it back to you.


Bad SOB!

[SOB]

Originally posted by lazs2
well then.... thanks sob!  you have solved the whole health care expense problem!

since most of the cost is related to malpractice insurance then all we need to do to end the possibility of any malpractice suits in the future is to have....

2 doctors agree.

lazs

LOL, I'm sensing some sarcasm.  But I guess I'm missing your point - you think that because the patient may not be able to be 100% absolutely certain of the diagnosis, they should be denied this right?

[slimm50]

Originally posted by myelo
Doctors can’t prevent dying so why not let them help patients die with the least amount of suffering and with as much dignity as possible.

One of the things that bothers me is that I'm afraid it's only a short step from that mindset to wanting to help others decide when and how they should die, and eventually usurping that decision altogether.

[lazs2]

ok sob..  in some cases I suppose it is all for the best... hell, I guess if someone wants to commit suicide... Who am I to judge?  thing is.. it's not legal.

no one is asking for suicide to be legal.  They are asking for suicide with good reason to be legal.

I submit that anyone who commits suicide believes that there is no other way.   they often change their mind latter but.. at the time, it seems the only way.

Now, you are asking me to condone them killing themselves (and even having help doing it) simply because they can find two doctors who think things are hopless.

lazs

[SOB]

Well, we're not talking about a depressed sod who just got fired, and is now standing on a ledge, or a teenager that hates his life.  This is about terminally ill patients having an option apart from suffering.  Someone who has had to take the time to get a second opinion and be deemed sane enough to make this kind of decision.

[AKIron]

Everyone knows where this slippery slope leads. Not that I have a problem with soylents, but damn, only two flavors?

[SOB]

Don't worry, I hear there's a new brand called Dr. Soylent coming out soon!  Unfortunately, I've heard it has more prune juice than people though.

[milnko]

The funniest thing about the hypothetical example myelo presented is that if he'd also implied that SOB was a horse or *dog no one would have a problem with ending it's suffering.

The thing is an animal can't even tell ya that it wants an end to it's suffering, however the Oregon assisted suicide has very specific guidelines that must be met, including the patient ASKING for release.

Amazing we have more compasssion for our pets than we do for a fellow man.

[*see Disney movie 'OL Yeller]

[lazs2]

well.... I have been in hospitals on critical care wards...  I have felt pretty low in spirit a couple of times....

We could solve all this tho and just have assisted suicide at indian casinos!  

Yep, that's the ticket.... just like a vegas wedding only different!  Little death chapels all over the casino property... some in the parking lots so you don't have to enter the casino at all... maybe some drive throughs?

simply have a couple of indian doctors (greenbaum and capone)  on hand to pass out the old big sleep pills (for a price)  

package plans... "consoltation" pills and resting place all in one package.    

lazs