Tomorrow

[DJ111]

Done, but I'm not gittin rid of The Gunny.

[Slash27]

P-40B I guess?

I hope both the Warhawk and Tomahawk.

[Soulyss]

Sorry Rafe, can't do much about the terrains yet.  Rumor is that both BoB and the solomons are early on the list.

[Telstar]

Originally posted by Slash27
P-40B I guess?

I hope both the Warhawk and Tomahawk.

oooooooook....

let me see if i got this straight, p40 v zeke..... Hells Angels flew p40's!

hey, we can have a squad night in the CT !!!:D

[Soulyss]

Ok things should be running in the CT

I left the P40 off at the moment, gonna check service dates with some of my sources here, will add it soon as I get back from work which should be around 5:30 PST hope that doesn't ruin anyones plans.  I can leave a note with the CT staff during the day to add it if need be.  Will try really hard to have it in there by prime time tonight.

Have to run to work now (already late) will post a MOTD when I get back.. usual, pre historic terrain rules apply... don't mess with the rooks please.

[DJ111]

P40B - March 13 1941


Think thats right...

[Soulyss]

Well it will be at least a B... I'm actually looking for service dates in the south pacific for the E model.  I'm actually going through the hundred thousand right now to see I can find any reference to the E model being present in the pacific in fall of '42.  The E was in production at that time but the only reference I can find is to a delivery to the Philippines.. but most if not all seem to be lost when the japanese invade.  

OK looks like E model planes were present in numbers in China by this time, as well as 25 based at Midway in Oct. '42... P40's didn't arrive at Guadalcanal till Dec 8.

[DJ111]

Good, hooray p40s!

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

P-40Es to Port Moresby March 19th 42' ????

How about enable 1941 planes at foword bases and 1942 planes at more rear bases. Reset map for tuesday and thursday squad nights. If axis capture bases, suffer rear base fighters. If allies base pork, suffer the loss of rear base fighters i.e. having to fly 1,000 miles to the fight in a P-40E.

[Squire]

Baptism of fire for Solomons based P-40Es was with the Guadalcanal based 347th FG which deployed there in November 1942. Source "Osprey P-40 Aces of the Pacific".

The P-40Es before then in Java and the Phillipines as well from January 1942 untill the withdrawal of USAAF forces from those positions.

P-40Es in Australia from January 42 (49th FG), New Guinea from March 42, RAAF and USAAF units.

...the P-40Bs combat use in the PTO was limited to the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7th, and the few they had in the Phillipines. Im not counting the AVG units in that (CBI Theater). They were more widely used by the RAF in the Desert and the AVG than the US forces ever used them in the Pacific, where the E model almost immediately replaced it.

[Soulyss]

Interesting squire... Americas Hundred thousand mentions somthign about Dec 8th 1942 as the first P40E arriving at Cactus... which I can't double check now since I was a dip and left it at work today.



Right now my thinking is I will add the P40E at rear allied bases but possibly stage Ki-67's at rear axis bases, I know the Peggy is a little advanced for the time period but I think the P40's should be able to intercept if the axis try and deep strikes.  I'm kinda waiting to see how base capture is in this new map build, the original slot terrain was notoriously hard to capture fields in and I kinda wanna see what the case is here before I unleash bombers on the arena.

[Squire]

Cactus, as in Guadalcanal? not sure where Cactus is supposed to be. The US didnt invade Guad untill 1942. "Cactus Air Force" was the slang for the Guad air component of the USAAF, USN, USMC units there, at Henderson field. Do you mean Clark Air Base in the Phillipines? that sounds right.

Cripes we need a G4M Betty bad. Ki-67 is just too freaking fast. Oh well, maybe down the road.

Im just yakking about intro dates again, the setup has to be fair of course, I just like talking about the time period.

[Grits]

I think Soulyss means they got to Guadalcanal in Dec 8th '42, not '41.

[Soulyss]

Squire,

I looked around in the best reference book I have which is americas hundred thousand,  The only references I could find to the P40E placed some in the philipines but it also seemed to indicated that most of these were lost or withdrawn before/during the japanese invasion there.  They were flying in numbers in China and had some more stationed at Midway apparently all by the fall of 42' which since we got the terrain up in the CT kinda what I was shooting for.  The only reference I could find in there was a statement which I don't have in front of me at the moment for Dec 8 where the first E's touched down at guadalcanal, ie CACTUS.  

Now sounds like you may have access to some information that I don't so you could very well be right,  I initially chose to use the B as a balance issue.  But I'm going to go look at the performance of the  B/E vs. the A6m2 and I may switch it up depending on what I can find.  If the E is fast enough I may includethe Ki-67 but only if the allies have a fast enough interceptor in the form of the P40E.   Hope this clears up any confusion.

Edit, I by no means take offense at someone posting info that may contradict my understanding of things.  The two biggiest issues I take into consideration when making these decisions is

1:  Historical accuracy
and
2:  I ask myself "would I enjoy flying this setup from either side?"  this is the often maligned game balance issue.  And if I have to answer with "no" then the reason probably isn't going to make the finally cut.  

But I do need all the help I can get on #1 so keep that info coming.  

[Oleg]

No P-40E or/and Ki67 please