It was repeated to my hat HT or Skuzzy said if we want a new map. We would have to reset the current one. Who ever said we have to work together was correct. But remember if each country works together and the numbers are fairly even, then a reset is VERY unlikely. I noticed last Friday night the Rooks had 197 players the Nits at 123 and the Bish were at 136 at around 11:00 pm eastern time. I think the Small Island map was reset by the Rooks sometime in the wee hours on last Friday night. I seen 8 or so Bishops comment that we should just let the Rooks win so we could get a new map. This kind of thinking a communication is what gets some players thinking "Whats the use" and causes many of them to jump ship in the last couple of hours before a reset. I also think that this is going to be the norm unless something changes. I know that the Rooks have been singled out many times as having the Numbers advantage a lot in the past months. And of course they and others explain that there were times when the Rooks were on the Low end for a while. BUT I can say without reservation that i know the Rooks have held the numbers advantage MUCH longer than either the Nits or the Bish since i started playing AH almost 3 years ago now.
AH was released on 1/24/2000
The following threads seem to indicate that the Knights began to carry the "Numbers Advantage Torch" around October of 2000. About 6 months or so after it was clear they began to notice or feel out numbered.
Knights take the Numbers Torch Oct 2000Knights still on top 4/20/2001 The Following threads, Clearly indicate the time period that the Rooks took the Numbers Torch was around (Jan of 2003).
Dec/11th/2002 Dwc/30th/2002 Jan/13th/2003Dec/12th/2002 Here is the "Numbers Advantage" stats.
AH release. 1/24/2000
Rooks/Bish reing from 1/24/2000~10/01/2000 about 10 months.
Nights reing from 10/1/2000~11/01/2001 1 year and 1 month.
Bish reing from 11/01/2001~01/01/2003 1year 2 months.
Rooks reing 01/01/2003~07/18/2004....1.5 years.
It seems to grow like a cancer.
The Rooks have held the Numbers Advantage longer than either of the other two countries within the 2.5 years that i have played AH. I can only wonder if the reing of the next "Numbers Torch Barer" will be over 2 years?
More ResearchAfter an extensive search of the BBS from the time AH went LIVE on Jan/24th/2000 till present. I found the following info.
I used several Search words "Side Balancing", "Hoard" "Numbers Advantage" "Ganging" "GangBang" "Gang Bang" and so forth.
I conducted the searches on the two different threads entitled... "Game Play" and "General Discussion"
Below is the earliest complaint i found indicating that a particular country wa being gang banged. Although it isnt clear as to which country had the advantage. It is clear that a particular country,(Knights) were felling the Squeez. However the Knights had the most kills acording the the stats that someone retreived. Knights(16,426) Rooks (12,971) and Bish (15,047).
Knights Out Numbered 6/17/2000Below is an interesting excerpt from one of the above threads Originally posted by StSanta
Tour 7:
Lately, the Knights have had numbers during prime hours, so that naturally upsets the numbers, making them not so reliable. It might (or might not) serve as some kind of illustration; either both the rook and bish prefer fighting Knights, or (and this is especially true for this tour) Knights have been strong enough in numbers to fight a two front war.
Iv'e heard some arguments about numbers, and my philosophy is like this; if a country is gangbanged, no matter which country, and it has the equivalent of numbers of the two other countries combined, it does not have "numbers". Fighter for fighter, it faces an equal number of enemies, only on two fronts. And this probably explains the numbers.
I'll admit I've yelled gangbang more than a few times
, but it's probably like when ya run across a red light; you're thinking "why do I ALWAYS get a red light?!?" totally forgetting all the green lights you've had.
Several things come to mind after reading this quote.
First the Knights seem to be taking the Numbers Advantage Torch around 10/2000.
Secondly it is my personal recollection that in the earlier days the followings comments were very accurate "If a country is gangbanged, no matter which country, and it has the equivalent of numbers of the two other countries combined, it does not have "numbers". Fighter for fighter, it faces an equal number of enemies, only on two fronts."
However this no longer rings true.
It cannot be disputed that the 2 countries with the largest numbers attack the country with the lowest numbers in effort to "Steal" the win from each other and collect the Perks and the Honor of being named to "Winner". With the current setup we can expect this to be the Normal.
Likewise it cannot be disputed that it is becoming increasingly more un-balanced as time goes by. (Rooks had 197 players the Nits at 123 and the Bish were at 136. Last Friday evening prime time) it used to be a big deal when a said country had 20 to 30 more players than the other two. Now its very common the see a single country at prime time having 50 even 60+ players advantage over the other two.
What can be done? I don’t know. ![say whut? :confused:](http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
Why has it become more and more lopsided than ever before?
I think we might be seeing a "Security in Numbers" thing playing out. Imagine if you were a New Player to AH2 these days and you join up with the Bish or Knights at first logon. After a few weeks you are getting you butt pummeled for a couple of reasons. First you may be (New to AH2 Flight Model or even MA style Simming)
Secondly (your country is out numbered by the other 2 countries by 50 70 EVEN nearly 100 layers in some cases.) It soon becomes obvious that IF you are going to learn to play this game? It would be a lot more fun learning if you did it knowing you had 4 or 5 buddies nearby at all times to help you if you get you tit in the wringer. Couple this with other factors (Perk Points) (Endless Vulching sessions) (Getting your name in lights for a change, via the system “Kills Landed” message) Makes tons of sense for the newbie and unfortunately for some Ego seekers.
During my research i have seen every suggestion imaginable.
The only thing that i HAVENT seen tried, is to LOCK players into one country for the duration of a Tour. Many ppl think HTC would be making a mistake by doing this “UNFAIR” act. It wouldn’t bother me whatsoever to see this kind of setting. How it would be implemented is something different.
There is the issue “What if I want to fly with a friend?”
Maybe we could swap countries with a willing participant for a day? PS (This might cause people to strive to have a little more diplomatic behavior towards others)
Im sure there are tons of ins and outs on the idea. But I would welcome another attempt at trying to balance the MA numbers to within a certain ratio.
Nonetheless I think HTC has proven that they can do as they wish and for the most part we will continue to play no matter the issues or fixes. How does this relate to "Map Rotation"?
Its about the comment on "Working Together" that RTsigma pointed out.
No amount of "Working together" will keep a country from losing if they are so out numbered and to other 2 countries are working "Together" to get a new map.
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