Author Topic: Socialism (Read 1402 times)

cpxxx · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2004, 04:45:48 PM »

All this slagging of Norway or is it Nilsen and then I read this. Norway is no. 1 and the US is number 8, Ireland number 10:o

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040715/lf_afp/un_development_places_040715174519

That's irony. But at least Ireland is as nearly a good place to live as the USA LOL.

On the point of health services in the USA, Lazs.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/Business/2B25CD362D9E94D786256ED800379E38?OpenDocument&Headline=Coalition+urges+universal+health+insurance

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Two million people a year will be priced out of the insurance market, with the number of uninsured growing to more than 51 million by 2006.

Not much point in having a quality health service if you can't access it.

Note some of the supporters ex presidents Carter, Ford and one George Bush Snr.

Providing proper health care is not Socialism. It's a right in a rich free society.

Nilsen · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2004, 04:56:02 PM »

Where in Ireland do you live cpxxx?

lazs2 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:03:56 PM »

cpx..I have real good health insureance. The reasons your article gives for norway being #1 are not reasons that I would live in a country for... very few of the reasons apply to me anyway.

I guess if you never plan to be above poverty level you are better off in a socialized country so that everyone can take dare of you.

nielson... Are you saying that you take care of as many per capita illegals as we do? What is the average education and earnings of your illegals?

so you can own a gun if you don't shoot it anywhere but at the rangee but it costs yo 5 bucks a gallon to get there in the snow?

Ok.. so you couldn't answer the questions about firearms or car parts... How bout something simple? How much for an avacado? a pound of grapes or oranges? lettuce? Lb of strawberries?

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #48 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:09:52 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
cpx..I have real good health insureance. The reasons your article gives for norway being #1 are not reasons that I would live in a country for... very few of the reasons apply to me anyway.

I guess if you never plan to be above poverty level you are better off in a socialized country so that everyone can take dare of you.

nielson... Are you saying that you take care of as many per capita illegals as we do? What is the average education and earnings of your illegals?

so you can own a gun if you don't shoot it anywhere but at the rangee but it costs yo 5 bucks a gallon to get there in the snow?

Ok.. so you couldn't answer the questions about firearms or car parts... How bout something simple? How much for an avacado? a pound of grapes or oranges? lettuce? Lb of strawberries?

lazs

i dont have the stats on how many we take care of lazs, but when they get here they are usually very poor and uneducated from the third world. we offer education to them when they get here.

Guns can be fired at a range or during hunting and there is only snow in the winter here. Gas prices are high but you dont need to travel more than 10-20 mins to get to one.

I dont have the price of fruits and veggies in my head but they are cheap compared to our income.

Anything else? I know you are "fishing" me but i dont mind.... carry on

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:34:16 PM »

nielson... no, not "fishing you"... you simply claimed that you could do anything in your country that I could do here. I pointed out that you couldn't ... I also pointed out that many things are either unavailabel or very expensive with less selection.

I also pointed out that any stats about average income and such take into account a very large poverty level that I do not wish to be a part of so has nothing to do with me. I certainly don't care enough to confiscate all the rich folks income to raise up the ones who like to live at poverty level.

I believe that most of the socialist programs have hurt this country. social security for instance and welfare.

lazs

cpxxx · « **Reply #50 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:43:37 PM »

Dublin, Nilsen. Good old dirty old Dublin.

(I took this photo yesterday;)

But I'm moving to Galway soon as my fiance (to continue the healthcare theme) just got a job in a fancy new private hospital and it's a good place to live.

Lazs

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I believe that most of the socialist programs have hurt this country. social security for instance and welfare.

Sorry Lazs in your world you would definitely need your guns. I agree that too generous welfare is bad but none means people have to resort to ANY means to stay alive. They will come and take it off you if they can

Nilsen · « **Reply #51 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:46:15 PM »

I cant answer to what socialist programs that has hurt your country, but trust me....its far from impossible to get very rich here if that is what you aim for. Like in every other place, hard work does the trick.

I will not argue with you on this tho.... If you never get sick or use any public service at all then yes..they take more from you than they would in America.

Nilsen · « **Reply #52 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:48:07 PM »

Im gonna visit Ireland someday Cpxxx and if all goes as i hope then we will do it on a boat of our own.

cpxxx · « **Reply #53 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:52:51 PM »

Well Nilsen dock in Galway harbour and look me up. We're buying a house overlooking an inlet of the bay.

Nilsen · « **Reply #54 on:** July 21, 2004, 05:55:24 PM »

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Originally posted by cpxxx
Well Nilsen dock in Galway harbour and look me up. We're buying a house overlooking an inlet of the bay.

This the place?

cpxxx · « **Reply #55 on:** July 21, 2004, 06:04:54 PM »

A bit further in I think

OK not our house but..........

Nilsen · « **Reply #56 on:** July 21, 2004, 06:06:17 PM »

Yeah found a ton of pics....looks like a really nice place. Gonna se Dublin to tho when i get there.

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2004, 08:52:09 AM »

cpx.. maybe you don't realize that welfare is not something we have had for very long and that the more welfare we have the less "good" it does?

As for healthcare... My healthcare is excellent. I can get appointments rapidly and can see different doctors if I wish..I don't have 600 people in line in front of me to go to the dentist as I heard was common in england say. I would like to see reforms in helathcare insurance tho. If our lawsuits matched the socialist countries in terms of severity and frequency then our healthcare insurance would be halved at least.

The fact is that all government is waste. Anything the government extorts your money for is mostly wasted. There is no service that the government can provide that couldn't be better and more effieciently provided by provate industry.... The only thing that we can't trust private industry with is raising an army and that is pretty much about all the government was tasked with in our constitution.

nielson.. you started out by saying that Americans couldn't tell you anthing that they had that you didn't... I submit that you have sampled a very narrow band of Americans. I have told you that I like Hot Rods and guns and cheap gas and variety of cheap goods. I have told you that I don't want to pay high taxes.

I told you that If you take out the people who don't work then, by the UN standards... the U.S. would probly hae higher average income and longer life than yu.

And exactly what is it that your socialist society produces that makes it so economicaly viable? What did socialism do to boost the economy in your country? Imagine how much you would have without it.

It is much like saying that the arabs are great industrialists and producers because of their GNP.

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #58 on:** July 22, 2004, 08:59:40 AM »

Yes lazs. You win

lazs2 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 22, 2004, 09:09:17 AM »

not trying to win...(well maybe a little) but you started out saying that Americans can't find anything we have that your socialist society doesn't have.

I would turn it around...The UN claims that you have a high average income... How did socialism create that? What does socialism produce? What does your country have that I can't get here?

lazs