NTSB Accident Report "Bump in the Night"

[Otto]

Originally posted by Mini D
Bird strikes have occured over 10,000 feet.  3000 isn't all that high.  Turkey Vulchers have been reported as high as 15,000 feet.

 

You are right about that...

"Bird Records
Taken from
The Bird Almanac
by David M. Bird, PhD

highest flying bird: Ruppell's griffon vulture at 11,274 meters (7 mi)"


Where do they put the Oxygen System

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by X2Lee
Maybe a bird...

Hitting a 10 lb. Canadian goose at 150 mph creates the same amount of energy as dropping a 1,000 lb. weight from the distance of 10 feet in the air.

[Mini D]

The paint and polymer statements tend to indicate it wasn't a bird... that's cool.  I fail to see the leap in logic on the whole "drone" thing.  The drones are not particularly small, especially when compared to a 208.  Damage would have been extensive.... especially at 100+.  It really seems to be more something along the lines of a weather balloon than anything else.

As for what a bird can do to a plane... I've seen an F-111 that hit a goose at Mach 1 (200 feet altitude).  The pilot returned the plane to the base, but it was pretty much a total loss (took out all of the main body bulkheads).  It missed the cockpit by 1 inch.

I've also seen a duck go through a 1 1/2" cast aluminum cone and punch a hole out the back where the aluminum was 2" thick. (once again a mach 1 bird strike).  That one wasn't particularly fun to clean up.

[Curval]

lol Nash.

[Terror]

Originally posted by Chairboy
If it was uncontrolled traffic operating on VFR and violating them by flying at night, it could be swallowed by the swap and nobody would ever know.  Part of the investigate would probably be to try and correlate known aircraft ownership with missing persons reports locally.  At least, that's something I'd try....

Violating what by flying at night?  You can fly VFR at night....

Terror

[Chairboy]

Sorry, I was unclear, I meant a VFR pilot flying at night into controlled airspace and not announcing themselves.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hitting a 10 lb. Canadian goose at 150 mph creates the same amount of energy as dropping a 1,000 lb. weight from the distance of 10 feet in the air.

Interesting point. I remember a Kingair out of Danbury CT that was landing that ended up taking out over 15 geese while landing. Trashed the engines - guy landed alright - but he looked like he went through a hailstorm of bowling balls.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Interesting point. I remember a Kingair out of Danbury CT that was landing that ended up taking out over 15 geese while landing. Trashed the engines - guy landed alright - but he looked like he went through a hailstorm of bowling balls.

My father related a story where he flew out of Minneapolis/St.Paul in a 4-engine turbo-prop plane (1965), just as the pilot got the gear up they struck a flock of geese, taking out 2 starboard engines.  He said it was the only "white-knuckled" flight he'd had in 27 years of business flying.  The pilot immediately turned the plane around and landed with the two port engines still spinning...Dad said it was odd how much they were "crabbing" (rudder/power ratio) when they came in for approach.

[Reschke]

I remember when this happened and it was huge news around here. Spanish Fort is on the opposite side of the bay from Mobile (7-8 miles I think maybe less) and the closest military bases to there are NAS Pensacola, Fort Rucker and Eglin AFB. Eglin and Ft. Rucker being the farthest east. Other than that there is another Air Force base in Biloxi but that is to the west.

There are all manner of things that happen around that area that come out of Eglin AFB that no one talks about so its not hard to believe that a drone could have been the culprit in what brought this plane down.

[JBA]

Originally posted by Mini D
As for what a bird can do to a plane... a goose at Mach 1 (200 feet altitude). .

saw 10 pounds of crap go through a goose once .
Damn that was a mess.

[Fishu]

Actually.. at night.. you don't fly VFR - you fly it as S-VFR
Needs a separate license.

It allows night flying and reduced VMC conditions.

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by Mini D
Bird strikes have occured over 10,000 feet.  3000 isn't all that high.  Turkey Vulchers have been reported as high as 15,000 feet.

Sounds more like a weather balloon.

Those darn vulcers how I loath them hahaha

[Maverick]

Fishu,
Actually at night in the US flying under our FAR's you do not need SVFR to fly at night. You also do not need to contact any controler as long as you are not in controlled airspace.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Maverick
Fishu,
Actually at night in the US flying under our FAR's you do not need SVFR to fly at night. You also do not need to contact any controler as long as you are not in controlled airspace.

He must have missed that chapter in George Orwells "1984"

One day, Fishu suddenly realizes the U.S. is committing the most deadly of sins in a conformist atheist collective--questioning the State. Is what they're telling their people today the same as what they told them yesterday? Weren't they at war with someone else last year? How is it that food production is up, when the world has less to eat all the time? How can they really know what I'm thinking? [/size][/color]

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Maverick
Fishu,
Actually at night in the US flying under our FAR's you do not need SVFR to fly at night. You also do not need to contact any controler as long as you are not in controlled airspace.

Well I've figured you need also in US an additional license to fly (S)VFR at night, since it's alot different than flying at day.