Author Topic: apologies (let the fighting begin) (Read 1273 times)

Nash · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:27:16 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I dunno how any American can have any respect for Moore after all of the things he's said ridiculing Americans. When he says Americans are stupid do some of you think that he isn't talking about you?

AK you are stuck.... kick out the jams mang.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:30:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
pretty much

wow I found an agreement w/ nash. (looks out the window for pigs flying)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:38:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago

I have a few "I'm sorrys" myself.

I'm sorry we probably won't attack Syria and Iran next
dago

Oh.........I don`t know. If I were of military mind and I saw a country over many years that had been a total pain in the bellybutton for the U.S., let`s say Iran, get through years of chain yanking and making insignificant threats finaly get to the point of becoming the next nuclear threat to the U.S. I would probably want a good solid platform to launch from in case of trouble. Considering the on again , off again of the surrounding countries as far as supporting and being a "true" friend to the U.S. and the cost of troop/equipment positioning and transfer to this area it would be nice to have solid ground from which to base and launch an attack against them if need be. If we had military bases established in a country that was right next door, fully stocked and ready, any attack would be a milk run away. Saudis have always been and will always be wishy washy and "pay to play" when it comes to U.S. operations in their country of any kind. They always wait until things heat up to throw a wrench in the works at the last minute and it always, always boils down to putting money in their robes.
If you totaly *****ed slapped a country nearby and made it clear "you have been owned" then you could set up a very, very strong and ominous place to keep things peachy in Iran. Hmmmmmm......sounds sorta like Iraq, doesn`t it?

Bodhi · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2004, 08:52:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
Oh.........I don`t know. If I were of military mind and I saw a country over many years that had been a total pain in the bellybutton for the U.S., let`s say Iran, get through years of chain yanking and making insignificant threats finaly get to the point of becoming the next nuclear threat to the U.S. I would probably want a good solid platform to launch from in case of trouble. Considering the on again , off again of the surrounding countries as far as supporting and being a "true" friend to the U.S. and the cost of troop/equipment positioning and transfer to this area it would be nice to have solid ground from which to base and launch an attack against them if need be. If we had military bases established in a country that was right next door, fully stocked and ready, any attack would be a milk run away. Saudis have always been and will always be wishy washy and "pay to play" when it comes to U.S. operations in their country of any kind. They always wait until things heat up to throw a wrench in the works at the last minute and it always, always boils down to putting money in their robes.
If you totaly *****ed slapped a country nearby and made it clear "you have been owned" then you could set up a very, very strong and ominous place to keep things peachy in Iran. Hmmmmmm......sounds sorta like Iraq, doesn`t it?

You can not honestly be serious... do you suppose that Iran is just going to sit there and roll over in the event we attack? Get real, Iran's army makes Hussein's look like a group of boy scouts. They are better organised, much more loyal (no mass desertions), and equally if not better equipped. Their airforce contains state of the art aircraft (remember the 250 Iraqi aircraft that fled in GW1) and most of their veteran pilot core is taught by american taught instructors. Invading Iran would be a fool hardy attempt, as we do not have the resources to hold down a country 3 times larger than Iraq. If you think insurgent activity in Iraq is bad, imagine it on a larger scale, with a completely hostile population.

Yeah, attack Iran, the lack of fore thought in these forums is staggering.

Dago · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2004, 09:11:25 AM »

Oh yes Bohdi, Irans army is something to be feard. lol

Right now in Iran the people are very unhappy with the secular leadership and given the right opportunity would most likely welcome a chance to have a democratic government.

As far as their armed forces go, they wouldn't last 2 weeks, and all those airplanes? Missle fodder. Just to have 15 year old airplanes hardly makes for a significant military presence. Those old planes will be lacking in maintenance, parts, and pilot training, plus support of missles and good radar and guidance systems.

Our military would walk all over them. But then you probably figured Iraq, having the worlds 5th largest military would put up a massive fight. ha ha

Being the radical nutcase I am, I would soften them up with weeks of bombing just to get their attention.

Iran fought Iraq for 10 years and couldnt win, we faught Iraq for 2 weeks and their military dissolved.

dago

anonymous · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2004, 09:43:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
You can not honestly be serious... do you suppose that Iran is just going to sit there and roll over in the event we attack? Get real, Iran's army makes Hussein's look like a group of boy scouts. They are better organised, much more loyal (no mass desertions), and equally if not better equipped. Their airforce contains state of the art aircraft (remember the 250 Iraqi aircraft that fled in GW1) and most of their veteran pilot core is taught by american taught instructors. Invading Iran would be a fool hardy attempt, as we do not have the resources to hold down a country 3 times larger than Iraq. If you think insurgent activity in Iraq is bad, imagine it on a larger scale, with a completely hostile population.

Yeah, attack Iran, the lack of fore thought in these forums is staggering.

not many current iranian pilots are us trained. and middle class of iran that makes all the money and runs all the comms and power hates current iranian leadership. huge demonstrations against iranian leadership for several years now. if they keep screwing with people on the nuclear issue something will happen and the iranian leadership will like the outcome alot less than the west.

anonymous · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2004, 09:46:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Oh yes Bohdi, Irans army is something to be feard. lol

Right now in Iran the people are very unhappy with the secular leadership and given the right opportunity would most likely welcome a chance to have a democratic government.

As far as their armed forces go, they wouldn't last 2 weeks, and all those airplanes? Missle fodder. Just to have 15 year old airplanes hardly makes for a significant military presence. Those old planes will be lacking in maintenance, parts, and pilot training, plus support of missles and good radar and guidance systems.

Our military would walk all over them. But then you probably figured Iraq, having the worlds 5th largest military would put up a massive fight. ha ha

Being the radical nutcase I am, I would soften them up with weeks of bombing just to get their attention.

Iran fought Iraq for 10 years and couldnt win, we faught Iraq for 2 weeks and their military dissolved.

dago

iraq had far more mech units in military. it was a real brawl and the iranians had iraq on the ropes at the cost of many dead iranians. iraq pulled off the draw due to alot of material and advisory help from the west thats us uk france. iran was lacking in tech support for air force radars and such. if you read military history that is a great war to study. sort of a modern first world war in the final years.

doc1kelley · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2004, 10:38:01 AM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Micheal Moore is a patriot. That you attempt to libel him makes you un-American. Go spew your spin elsewhere Adolf.
-SW

ROFLOL, Michael Moore should move to France where he will be with the rest of his ungrateful hate-spewing kind.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2004, 11:25:41 AM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Micheal Moore is a patriot. That you attempt to libel him makes you un-American. Go spew your spin elsewhere Adolf.
-SW

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Dago · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:40:58 PM »

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iraq had far more mech units in military. it was a real brawl and the iranians had iraq on the ropes at the cost of many dead iranians. iraq pulled off the draw due to alot of material and advisory help from the west thats us uk france. iran was lacking in tech support for air force radars and such. if you read military history that is a great war to study. sort of a modern first world war in the final years.

So, the best Iran could do was a draw in ten years of fighting, while we whipped Iraqs bellybutton in 2 weeks. Call me crazy, I think that still shows we are a very superior fighting force and would walk right through the Iranians also.

dago

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:41:14 PM »

Dago, do you honestly think Iran would fight the US the same way Iraq did, or do you think they watched the last two wars and learned something?

And you have totally ignored horrific insurgent problem that would exist, saying oh "they hate the government" doesn't make it go away. I hate my government, but it's still my government.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would be willing to piss away American soldiers lives on what would be a foolhardy adventure, having never actually served in the military yourself.

Bodhi · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:52:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Oh yes Bohdi, Irans army is something to be feard. lol

Right now in Iran the people are very unhappy with the secular leadership and given the right opportunity would most likely welcome a chance to have a democratic government.

As far as their armed forces go, they wouldn't last 2 weeks, and all those airplanes? Missle fodder. Just to have 15 year old airplanes hardly makes for a significant military presence. Those old planes will be lacking in maintenance, parts, and pilot training, plus support of missles and good radar and guidance systems.

Our military would walk all over them. But then you probably figured Iraq, having the worlds 5th largest military would put up a massive fight. ha ha

Being the radical nutcase I am, I would soften them up with weeks of bombing just to get their attention.

Iran fought Iraq for 10 years and couldnt win, we faught Iraq for 2 weeks and their military dissolved.

dago

Willing to bet on all that drivel?

If the west tries to move on Iran, the demonstrations against the current secular leadership will end, and start with renewed fervor against the west.

When are you people going to realise that they are so peeved over current western meddling in the middle east, thaty further meddling will only create terrorism on a scale that the world has NEVER seen. Plus, we are so tied up in Iraq right now, we could not begin to think about getting involved with the Iranians.

Ohh, and do not forget, the Iranians are not going to "flee in masse" to avoid combat. Had the Iraqi's stood up and fought, the outcome would have been the same, but the casualties would have been 20 to 40 times higher, or are you forgetting what a bunch of insurgents are currently doing?

Bodhi · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:55:32 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
not many current iranian pilots are us trained. and middle class of iran that makes all the money and runs all the comms and power hates current iranian leadership. huge demonstrations against iranian leadership for several years now. if they keep screwing with people on the nuclear issue something will happen and the iranian leadership will like the outcome alot less than the west.

I never said their pilots were american trained, but their seasoned core of instructors, are still the same ones we taught years ago...
As for hating one's government, thats one thing, if the west invades, or meddles, that hate will quickly be directed at us, and we will be in a situation worse than Iraq, with no friends (Kurds) to help us...

Dago · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:30:50 PM »

Thrawn,

As usual, you represent the best of the assnine.

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Dago, do you honestly think Iran would fight the US the same way Iraq did, or do you think they watched the last two wars and learned something?

And you have totally ignored horrific insurgent problem that would exist, saying oh "they hate the government" doesn't make it go away. I hate my government, but it's still my government.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would be willing to piss away American soldiers lives on what would be a foolhardy adventure, having never actually served in the military yourself.

As far as Iran fighting as the Iraqis did, it wouldnt be that much differant as they don't have a lot more in the way of capabilities or strategic wherewithall.

The Insurgency isn't as horrific as you seem to think, for the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are not involved, and life is improving daily. Try and expose yourself to more than just the CNN soundbites and you might find out some realities beyond the sensastional.

No, I don't want to piss away American soldiers lives, and I find that comment so insulting as to make me want to come to Canada and kick your ass. In case you haven't noticed me commenting before, my son is a soldier who has faught in Irag and Afghanistan.

But, I do honestly believe that the Iranian government is actively supporting and encouraging attacks on Americans, both abroad and domestically and until we stop that, and stop if firmly, we will always face that danger of mass murder.

If someday Canada is hit with an equivalent attack, instead of just being used as a poorly monitored passageway for terrorists, maybe you will start to understand my view.

Until then, sit quietly in your little nothing country and stfu.

dago

Eagler · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:57:56 PM »

"I am sorry that those same bombers are seeking 72 virgins. I can't seem to find one here on Earth"

LOL