Author Topic: Outnumbered by Rooks...again (Read 5443 times)

Hyrax81st · « **Reply #75 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:25:33 PM »

Rooks don't have numbers because we like to overwhelm. I bet most of us are working adults with families who enjoy working together on operations. Sunday nights just happens to be our best "old folks" time to get together.

... and, gosh darn it... we're just nicer people. That's why numbers gravitate to our side.

SlapShot · « **Reply #76 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:26:57 PM »

TAS went Rook

We went Bish for the month of July. I believe that we will be rotating to the Knits soon.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #77 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:27:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
A44 is a true AH gift. Always fun being had there.

Aye, and for the last couple of days it's been loads of fun. Somehow the fights there never seem to tip out of balance for very long. The fact that the two bases aren't terribly far apart also helps.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Soulyss · « **Reply #78 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:30:27 PM »

Overall number sometimes do not give an accurate picture of what is happening in the arena, last night the Rooks on the roster enjoyed a numerical advantage, however that didn't stop both the knights and bishops from chasing myself and some squaddies out of 4 fields last night. Suddenly time and time again I'd look up and see a swarm of enemy fighters barrelling down on me. Even with an overall numbers disadvantage, some organization can yield a local numerical superiority enough to get the job done.

Additionally it all depends on when you log on. I've noticed earlier in the day the rooks are often out numbered. I would simply guess that some of the larger rook based squads just happen to have most their people all in one time zone that falls around 6-8 pm pacific time (my time). If it is really such an issue, I would consider taking my plea to the squad commanders, may be easier asking a squad to make a move rather than having HTC force a move of some sort which I have a hard time believing they will ever do.

SlapShot · « **Reply #79 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:30:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
That is unpossible. Are you implying that some folks might actually look for even fights?? Might enjoy them? Might not give a crap about the reset?

A44 is a true AH gift. Always fun being had there.

A44 causes the strat guys fits !!! All that resource just fighting !!! I mean come on !!! There is a war to be won here fellas.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #80 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:31:42 PM »

Zazen et al... you really can't make the kind of inferences you've been making based on the available data for kills and deaths. We simply cannot conclude that these discrepencies occur due to skill or numbers or anything else at this level of measurement. The number of campaigns does not matter.

If we could disaggregate some of that data, we might be able to learn something. How many sorties did each side fly? On average, what numbers did each side enjoy relative to the other? What planes did each side fly? etc etc.

-- Todd/Leviathn

gofaster · « **Reply #81 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:09:10 PM »

I never look for a fair fight. I like upping Spit IX's from capped fields just for the challenge of popping Mustang and Typhoon hordes when I'm on the deck and slow. Last night I brought along a belly tank just to make my plane overweight and I still got a kill or two per flight.

Besides, when I'm outnumbered it means that there's less chance of me tripping all over another Rook during the chase.

ghostdancer · « **Reply #82 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:26:32 PM »

Agreed can't make assumptions that they are do to skill, age, etc.

The stats do show some interesting data that indicate rough trends. Couple the campaign stats with the excel file of active squads and break downs per country and we can get some inferences.

For instances the Bishops have the highest deaths in camp 54. Yet, they have the least squads and smallest potential pilot pool from these squads.

So can make the assumption that either the Bishops squads that are flying have a higher number of members flying together on average than the other two countries or that they are flying more sorties in comparison to Rooks and Knights.

Knights on the other hand, while having a solid dedicated squad base and primary base, seem to be fielding the least this camp (and previous camps). As for the reason why .. can't tell from the numbers. Just the fact they have the potential to field the second most number of pilots and have a good dedicated core .. but for whatever reason they aren't.

While Rooks have the largest pool of potential pilots. But then again they have the most squads that fly / dabble flying for other countries (31 squads fly Rooks primarily but also other countries).

So these squads could be wooed to the other side .. or have the best chance of doing so. IMO very hard to convince dedicated squads to switch countries.

meddog · « **Reply #83 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:40:41 PM »

Wow 17 pages, another answer is for Knights and Bishops to form an alliance on sunday nights like we did last night and stopped the Rooks dead in their tracks. With in an hour, over 100 Rooks logged off in frustration. Except for a few Knights and Bish that thought truces were for wusses and attacked the other side anyways, last night was fairly successful for the knights and bishops.

RT · « **Reply #84 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:55:59 PM »

The outnumbered play smart and there is no issue. In fact, the outnumbered get better action.

The game provides many effective tactics that the outnumbered can use to deter the side with numbers.

It simply boils down to willingness to adjust. Far as I am concerned the numbers hordes are just bigger herds and make for better culling.

The outnumbered get to fly light and interdict except for when they are on barracks busting hops. But a substantial number of the attackers have to come heavy.

Problems I usually see where the defender gives away the advantage is when defenders are slow to scramble, and when defenders settle for chasing low around their field instead of forcing the fight away from the field and at the nme flight path, like when you see 6 guys chasing 1 low nme instead of the other 5 grabbin.

Defenders in light fighters can grab alt faster, and if they get above the incoming heavy fighters they can bounce em and at least force them to jettison ord, and mix it up away from their field.

Outnumbered side can up 262s, and while they are a real sloppy ride in ah2 they nonetheless can hunt low where goons normally travel and have speed to survive low if one maintains a watchful eye.

So, those who care or take some pride in stopping the attacker have many effective tactics. Only issue is whether the outnumbered give a *** about it.

NO TRUCES.

xBarrelx · « **Reply #85 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:58:35 PM »

Reading comprehension 101? You may go to hell sir. It was 12:40 in the morning. I was a little tired. So shoot me.

Karaya · « **Reply #86 on:** July 26, 2004, 02:39:53 PM »

blah blah blah.

i remember when it used to be the reds who had the numbers. the worm turns for all.

ghostdancer · « **Reply #87 on:** July 26, 2004, 02:44:24 PM »

Meddog luck with truces .. I find them to be almost impossible to sustain. Had seveal attempts back in AW to form truces .. but no way to control all the various people playing for a side.

As for 100 logging off .. must have been around midnight then .. numbers held in the 180s for Rooks from 9 - 11 and started dropped down in the 160s before I logged.

Not sure if frustration or the simple fact of the east coasters logging off because of work the next day.

A31 was hell of a fight and took 2 hours for the Rooks to capture .. mainly do to having to fly troops from Siberia. Plus, a few me262s kept hunting goons and suprising that a 262 was also scraffing barracks over at A32.

After 31 fell tough fight for V70 and A38 .. but when I left looked like A42 (or is A41 down there on the SE tip) was in trouble. Also A30 was heavily hit.

Was this about the time that Bishops and Knights went at it? Was stiff resistance and then all gone as we started to carve out the eastern bases from you.

Murdr · « **Reply #88 on:** July 26, 2004, 02:45:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
One thing of note with regard to Rook squadrons that Ghostdancer and Grimm alluded to. A very many current Rook squadrons were flying together for years in AWFR. We didn't just come together in AH, we've been together a LONG time. We are not going to switch countries on a whim just because of historically, very temporary, numerical fluctuations. I appreciate that some squadrons choose to do this but, Rooks tend to enjoy a high degree of country fidelity among alot of it's core squadrons.

Hmm, yes well fortunately enough people value gameplay quality above a silly country tag. If all the people that flew together for years in AW suddenly decided they need to fly together, it would be well more than a 100+ advantage.
I have been flying nearly 9 years, and have old friends in every country. Each time I have went to another country, Ive made new friends. I dont buy your argument that strictly segregating the player base to interact with only 1/3 of itself is a community building enterprise. Nor that it should be up to lone wolfs to keep balance. Nobody says your squad or any other in particular should move. As long as a few are self respecting enough to steer away from dogpileing with the advantaged side.

jaxxo · « **Reply #89 on:** July 26, 2004, 02:59:26 PM »

For last night that is true since Bish/Knits were working together. However, this has been the first semi successful truce for Bish/Knits in my memory. So normally, given a roughly even distribution within a country fighting each opposing country, you have 108 Rooks hitting 71 Bish and 108 Rooks attacking 64 KnitsFor last night that is true since Bish/Knits were working together. However, this has been the first semi successful truce for Bish/Knits in my memory. So normally, given a roughly even distribution within a country fighting each opposing country, you have 108 Rooks hitting 71 Bish and 108 Rooks attacking 64 Knits

Good point. Even an alliance only goes so far. I think the argement that "we used to get ganged all the time...now its your turn" is silly. So...its rooks turn to have numbers and gang everyone else? lol. Human nature at its finest. Also i think its naive to think any one team is more skillfull than the others. If i grab alt I have to fight at a disadvantage against 5 alt monkeys. If I go low its the same thing. Not much room for SA on sunday night. there are still 6 good night of fighting though:) Sunday's its grab your osti and head to the hotpad lol.