Author Topic: H.R. 218 National Police Officers Conceal and Carry bill (Read 760 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** July 26, 2004, 04:47:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Interesting... I can't find that "bit" either.

I believe I know this much... Federal subsidy usually doesn't come without Federal oversight. I thought you guys on the right were for a smaller government. The surest way to reduce the size is to get the Feds out of state issues whenever possible. Then again... I may just be naive with tendencies for oversimplification.

I think we're in agreement here, Sandman, bring it back to the State level, however when it comes to police, nurses, or fire dept jobs, we can't let the states sink budgets on these necessary items.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2004, 04:48:37 PM »

In a couple of the surrouding counties where I live it is not only legal for an off duty officer to carry concealed, it is mandatory.

Sandman · « **Reply #17 on:** July 26, 2004, 04:48:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I totally agree with you Sandman...

Sig material!!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2004, 04:50:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Sig material!!

Too slow on my edit! Oh well!

Trell · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2004, 04:50:31 PM »

I think that this is great news.

I hope that they will put in a bill to alow c&c the rest of the citizens shortly as well nation wide

Horn · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:12:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
My short answer would be "Yes".

...and ignorant as well.

We have the same training (gunwise) and maintain the same standards of training with the same frequency (state mandated).

Wanna try again?

h

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:14:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Horn
...and ignorant as well.

We have the same training (gunwise) and maintain the same standards of training with the same frequency (state mandated).

Wanna try again?

h

NUTTZ · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:39:47 PM »

You never leave your house anyways, I invited you over and you ignored me. Looks like I'll just have to invite Ripsnort up to the great city of Brotherly Love. So Rip you use hot carbona wax or Paste on that head?

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well, at least youve got a large state to do it in.

I travel an hour in the wrong direction and Im in either Jersey or ::gasp!:: Delaware... both are two of the most anti-gun, last call at 12:30AM, no smoking in buildings, girly-man states in the union.

Maverick · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2004, 06:23:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Horn
[BWe have the same training (gunwise) and maintain the same standards of training with the same frequency (state mandated).

Wanna try again?

h [/B]

Quite frankly, since I came from that background I have to disagree with you.

There is a lot more involved than just learning how to use the firearm.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2004, 07:07:56 PM »

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Originally posted by NUTTZ
You never leave your house anyways, I invited you over and you ignored me. Looks like I'll just have to invite Ripsnort up to the great city of Brotherly Love. So Rip you use hot carbona wax or Paste on that head?

NUTTZ

I got cold feet after you sent me the pic with the goat.

Sorry man.

cpxxx · « **Reply #25 on:** July 26, 2004, 07:28:32 PM »

That surprises me. I would have thought off duty cops in the US always had the right to carry guns. Well at least they have now.
Off duty detectives here carry their personal weapons. More than one robber has found themselves facing down the barrel of a gun when one of the customers in a store being robbed turned out be an off duty detective. LOL Uniformed guys are unarmed but that never stops them chasing gunmen and arresting them. Crazy and brave!

Horn · « **Reply #26 on:** July 26, 2004, 08:44:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Quite frankly, since I came from that background I have to disagree with you.

There is a lot more involved than just learning how to use the firearm.

Really? Just to carry one? Don't think so.

Perhaps you are thinking of law enforcement. See the difference?

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Horn · « **Reply #27 on:** July 26, 2004, 09:10:45 PM »

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Originally posted by cpxxx
That surprises me. I would have thought off duty cops in the US always had the right to carry guns. Well at least they have now.
Off duty detectives here carry their personal weapons. More than one robber has found themselves facing down the barrel of a gun when one of the customers in a store being robbed turned out be an off duty detective. LOL Uniformed guys are unarmed but that never stops them chasing gunmen and arresting them. Crazy and brave!

They do carry off-duty--but this law allows them to travel between states (therefore different carry laws) and out of their jurisdiction. It also allows LEO's to continue to carry when they retire if they qual in the state where they live on an annual basis.

The law on the surface isn't a bad thing--but it sets some nasty precedence and ignores those of us that have carry permits but are private citizens. I put more ammo thru my guns than ANY cop (on duty) because it is a hobby and I'm a better shot than most.

I should be accorded the same courtesy as the retired cop. After all--you don't have to requalify in each state to get a driver's license when you travel do you?

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Maverick · « **Reply #28 on:** July 26, 2004, 09:18:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Horn
Really? Just to carry one? Don't think so.

Perhaps you are thinking of law enforcement. See the difference?

h

You just made my point. CCW is not just being able to handle the weapon. I do know the difference.

Horn · « **Reply #29 on:** July 26, 2004, 09:23:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
You just made my point. CCW is not just being able to handle the weapon. I do know the difference.

So I guess the training/background checks we go thru/went thru to obtain the permit weren't valid? So, why are we even issued a permit at all if we are so incompetent? I can carry in Colorado but not in Kansas? Right.

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