Colin Powell vs. Barack Obama

[midnight Target]

I bet you didn't hear the speech Rip.

Now I'm thinking here... what could Obama possibly have in common with Jesse Jackson?  Hmmmmmmmm....

Oh thats right...

NOTHING.

[Curval]

Funked gets the prize then.

So far this guy has been slammed on the boards by the diehards...but I have noticed a softening of opinions from some of the repubs who actually think before posting and recognise this guy as a breath of fresh air in politics.

Of course the first thing most see is a threat to their guns.

[Ripsnort]

The Dems are just showing their desperation for a good politician (i.e. smooth talker that appears to want to unite)  Of course, if you didn't LIKE his speech, and sensed the stero-typical "snake oil salesman"... you're an idiot, right?

[midnight Target]

Right

[Makarov9]

I thought old Harold was the "Second Coming" for the Dems? Oh, that's until he challenged old Miss Scary Eyes for the Whip. He needs to mind his manners.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Makarov9
I thought old Harold was the "Second Coming" for the Dems? Oh, that's until he challenged old Miss Scary Eyes for the Whip. He needs to mind his manners.

[Wanker]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
The Dems are just showing their desperation for a good politician (i.e. smooth talker that appears to want to unite)  Of course, if you didn't LIKE his speech, and sensed the stero-typical "snake oil salesman"... you're an idiot, right?

Rip, using that logic, you could never, ever be convinced of anyone's sincerity, because you immediately assume the person to be a snake oil salesman.

Man, are you jaded.

Do you believe that there will eventually be democrats(and republicans, too) that will come along that will shake their own party up and break the status quo?  

I do. But then again, I'm a hopeless optimist.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ah, the old "wolf in sheeps clothing" eh?

No, I'm no conservative either.  You seem to have this voracious need to pigeonhole people into a unidimensional ideological continuum in a multidimensional world.  Simplifying complex concepts is something we all do, but try to avoid oversimplification.

Everyone who disagrees with you is not a "lib" or a "lefty" just because they appear to agree with the opposing view.  You seem to throw the label around because it marginalizes those whose ideas you oppose.  If you read comments I've made throughout the years, you'll find that I consistently take a very practical view of politicians both left and right, and I take a pragmatic view toward foreign affairs.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You'll find that I consistently take a very practical view of politicians both left and right, and I take a pragmatic view toward foreign affairs.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Yah, sure you do.  Dude, I've read your posts for 4+ years. You're definately left of center.  Maybe you just have a fear of being wrong, thus your impression of "Fence riding"?

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
you're an idiot, right?

Did I miss something?  Who called you an idiot?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Were you impressed of Obama sin Laden'speech about how great his parents were and how he's now capitalizing his political career off of their hard work?

hmmm....  isn't there a current President that....  nevermind:rolleyes:

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yah, sure you do.  Dude, I've read your posts for 4+ years. You're definately left of center.  Maybe you just have a fear of being wrong, thus your impression of "Fence riding"?

This is a hoot.  I want you to tell me my positions on key issues based on what you know about me.  Go for it.

Notice the pigeonholing again?  Now I'm a "fence rider" and soon you'll be calling me a "flip flopper."  

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Wanker]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yah, sure you do.  Dude, I've read your posts for 4+ years. You're definately left of center.  Maybe you just have a fear of being wrong, thus your impression of "Fence riding"?

No Rip, DMF is correct. I am of similar persuasion. We are not party hacks, but are, as you always like to claim yourself to be, "issues men".  

We only appear to be complete liberals to you because you're in denial that it is possible to agree with both sides of the sprectrum depending on the particular issue.

People like me and DMF scare party hacks, because we don't fit into the nice little political box that you can use to dehumanize us.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by banana


People like me and DMF scare party hacks, because we don't fit into the nice little political box that you can use to dehumanize us.

Bah, our time is coming up! Every four years, between the Conventions and the Election, each side shuffles towards the middle in a bid to grab the center vote. Neither side will openly contradict a major stand on a hotbutton issue, but instead will find lesser issues to bring everyone together

Originally Proposed by Kang (or perhaps Kodos)

Abortions for some, miniture American flags for others!

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This is the best time of the political season to straddle the fence!

-Sik

[Wanker]

Originally posted by Sikboy

This is the best time of the political season to straddle the fence!

-Sik

It isn't sitting on the fence. It's being on different sides of the fence depending which issue you're debating.

I don't understand the necessity of always slappng a label onto someone. There's nothing wrong with or paradoxical about being pro-life and pro-public education, to use an example of my own beliefs. Those are just two examples of how I can be seen as a conservative on one issue, and a liberal on a different issue.