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Offline mx22

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2000, 11:35:00 AM »
JENG,

Allies were limited to 15k. I flew in Spit and I can assure you that we stayed at 15k until 109s started to pop up. After that, I started to climb, I'm sure others too. 15k was just a limit before the engagement. Also why 109s were at 18k, why not higher?
Now on to the fuel... Well we started with 100% internal with me and pyro assuming it would be enough. By the time engagement started I already was down to 25% or less and knew there would be no fuel for RTB, so I stayed there until my luck had ran out under BaneX's guns Fuel issue is defiantly something to keep in mind when planning next event.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2000, 12:14:00 PM »
S!
  I had a great time flying allied for the event.  I was surprised tho when the first group of 109s came in and hit the cover that most the cover engaged and stayed with em.  I fired a few rounds into a 109 who dove down and then I returned back as close as I could to the bombers just in time to see the rest of the 109s slaughter them.  As I looked around I noticed only a couple of spits near by as the rest were tied up by the initial group of 109s.  By the time I could catch back up to the bombers only RAS was still up.  I engaged the nearest 109 and was jumped by 3 more.  I fought the best I could until weazel took most my plane from around me   I have whole thing filmed 1.46mb if anyone wants to see it just email me and I will see if I can post it on the squad website.
  Overall it was a great time.  I was a late walk-on and apologize for being there at the last second.  
   I am looking forward to the next one and will be there in plenty of time  


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Offline fd ski

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2000, 12:41:00 PM »
historically in the early "spit v escorting bombers" missions, escort used stair-step defence.
Two squadrons ( usually IX once it became avaiable ) flew at 30k+
and then another squadron everey 5k all the way down to the buffs.
Buffs usually had 4 or 5 squadrons 5K above or closer.

I wish i was there ;( ...



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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2000, 12:52:00 PM »
Dinger, I had no intention of stealing any kills! I actually lost sight of you after heading in (I interpreted your call to stay high as to climb after the first pass), picked a random spitfire heading at a 45° angle to me, latched onto him (I stress that I was actually in front of you at this point, hardly over your shoulder!) and after the shooting then began to climb again with hardly any energy loss.

I probably took this too hard, and granted I ought to have kept a closer mental lock on you (You got quite a lot of distance on me when engaging), but I don't like the suggestion that I just stuck to your 6 and tried to shoot the spit from behind you. Maybe that's how it appeared on your FE due to net lag, I don't know. I'll be happy to send you the film if you want.

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2000, 01:35:00 AM »
Yeah duma, you did take it too hard.  And reading your AAR over there, it's clear you had a different perspective.  My conclusion was from the assumption that you'd seen me engage him, and watched him evade.  You "caught him sleeping", so it almost sounds like they weren't the same plane   .  (I also had a newbie wingie in a "Brand W" SL earlier this eve.  He did follow me and shoot over the shoulder at my target, instead of noticing the seasoned veteran closing in behind us.  I rolled around behind and got the other one too, but not before losing the rookie).
My point was as Kieren put it -- there are a lot of green pilots on both sides.  I flew stupid, and paid the price.
You're right about over-the-shoulder shootin' -- it's always that way.  Anyway, I didn't want to suggest you "stole" my kill -- I shouldn't have turned with that spit (but his slow, climbing turn was soo tempting.  muahahaha)
 
Other points:
Yeah, turning off in-flight radar might help.  A GCI would be helpful though.
Yes, I know the point of a circus is to lure the LW up to knock 'em down.  But duma has already posted some fine photos of 3 spits with him on the deck.  duma was shot down before the G2s made their first pass at the buffs.  I'm sorry, but if you're gonna escort bombers, you escort bombers, and get the kills as they come.  You don't go running merrily after the first enemies you see, leaving the heavies to be slaughtered.
Sometimes the alt cap is necessary (although 15k seems a little ridiculous), but remember: no matter how high you may go in your spitfire, there will be a 109 above you.
Finally, allowing chutes to replane is not historical, it's a concession to gameplay, and it should be evaluated as such (does it help/hinder?).
 
Anyway, I did enjoy myself, and I look forward to participating in the future; my post was optimistic more than anything else: it's still a very young community, and we're green (or maybe it's just that it's been too long since I've been able to get in a 109 in a "Brand W" scenario).
Besides, look at duma's AAR over in the special events section.  This things are gonna be very cool.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2000, 08:19:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by fd ski:
historically in the early "spit v escorting bombers" missions, escort used stair-step defence.
Two squadrons ( usually IX once it became avaiable ) flew at 30k+
and then another squadron everey 5k all the way down to the buffs.
Buffs usually had 4 or 5 squadrons 5K above or closer.

I wish i was there ;( ...


fd ski,

Seems like you have more information on "circuses" then I do Is it possible for you to describe the operation in more detail, so I can plan future missions in more realistic way or at least learn some history

thanks,

mx22