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Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #180 on: July 30, 2004, 08:21:36 AM »
The crew of Kerry's swift boat have generally been supportive of him.  They fought together and protected each other...what did you expect them to do?

The opposition coming from members of his swift boat squadron is a different matter all together.  If I'm interpreting all the statements correctly, they are ticked off by Kerry's statements that they all committed war crimes while on patrol.  Veterans in other branches of the service who served in Vietnam have also taken exception to these sweeping generalizations uttered by Kerry in public.

This may come back to bite Kerry in the posterior as the campaign enters its final stages.
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Offline 68DevilM

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« Reply #181 on: July 30, 2004, 09:45:51 AM »
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Hmmm, so maybe Kerry did rescue a fellow soldier in Vietnam.
Does that make him a hero?
Outside of his political leanings, would you concider what he did heroic?

Kerry, Former Crewmates Arrive in Boston


i asked this qurestion in another post?

besides his purple hearts what other medals/ devises does he have? excluding unit awards
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #182 on: July 30, 2004, 09:51:52 AM »
He has a Silver Star and a Bronze Star
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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #183 on: July 30, 2004, 12:02:02 PM »
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uh ?
it work this way in the american army , you ask for medal ?
Either I've translation trouble or there is something strange.

Usually it's the commander who request medal for his troops, not the reverse.




Now you see where I have a problem with this Silver Star.

Had Kerry simply filed an after action report, and his CO read it
and written Kerry up for a Silver Star on his own accord, I'd be much more impressed with it. Had the doctors or medics who attended to Kerry's injuries put him in for a Purple Heart, then I'd say he earned them. NONE of the above happened. Kerry put himself in for all of those medals. Makes him a self aggrandizing pompous idiot in my book. I know way too many guys who did heroic things and never even told anyone, and they requested they NOT be written up for any citation.
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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #184 on: July 30, 2004, 12:11:46 PM »
Did you all watch the link I provided?

Swift boat Veterans for truth

Its an hour and 20 min C Span press conderence.

http://swiftvets.com/

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"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"

-- Steven Gardner
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« Reply #185 on: July 30, 2004, 12:15:26 PM »
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I recall seeing Bush's Air National Guard service being played before the 2000 election as Clinton didn't have any military service at all. That comparison benefitted him at the time.
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Both sides play that game. Republican and Democrat.

I agree 100%, the hipocracy from both sides of the isle is simply infuriating. But I am not criticising Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think anyone who served there deserves the title of hero, just speaking for myself. I DO take issue with Kerry's behavior and words once he got back stateside, as well as his voting record in the Senate, and the various positions his campaign is taking during the election. Those are legitimate subject for discussion in my book and are the only things I've focused on in this thread.
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Offline Dnil

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« Reply #186 on: July 30, 2004, 12:22:12 PM »
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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #187 on: July 30, 2004, 05:01:09 PM »
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HA!  Hatred and obsession run deep.  You actually read through 4 months of posts to find ONE that I forgot to reply to.

Good Job, Watson, you've outed me again!   :aok :aok :aok


LOL, it's even more than that. Look at the year of that post.
 
I took your "Remember, I'm always right!" post in good spirits.

No one is always right, haven't seen it yet.
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« Reply #188 on: July 30, 2004, 09:12:47 PM »
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp


Jesus, you didn't even read my post before you tossed that in there.  My comment has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Hanoi John earned his medals.   Either you can't read, or couldn't dispute what I said but felt compelled to comment anyway.

Which is it?
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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #189 on: July 30, 2004, 09:15:18 PM »
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LOL, it's even more than that. Look at the year of that post.
 
I took your "Remember, I'm always right!" post in good spirits.

No one is always right, haven't seen it yet.


Holy crap, you're right!  He's been ticked about that for over a year, just waiting for a chance to have a go.


Anyway, obviously you took it the way I meant it.
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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #190 on: July 30, 2004, 09:22:08 PM »
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Holy crap, you're right!


Cool a new sig! :D



J/K!
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« Reply #191 on: July 31, 2004, 06:03:24 AM »
suntracker wrote:

"Well warcrimes were rampant in Vietnam. The biggest being free-fire zones and calling artillery in on villages."


   I disagree, the right to defend yourself in combat is hardly a war crime.  Unfortunate things happen in a war zone and sometimes innocents are caught in a dangerous situation, but the fact is, its a war and people are trying to kill you and your buddies. In 31 months in country I can say I never saw the *intentional* killing of a non combatant, free fire zone or not. Not to say it didn't happen, I just don't think it was as wide spread as Sen. Kerry testified to.

   Suntracker, when were you there and where did you see these war crimes?

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