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Offline phookat

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« Reply #210 on: August 04, 2004, 07:17:13 PM »
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1: I provided specific quoted examples from an unbiased source showing EXACTLY the differences existing which you decided weren't differences at all ("close enough" was the term you used, I believe).


I asked you before, and I'm going to ask you again.  In what way do these differences break the logic and conclusion of my proof?  If the difference is that one prohibits apple pie and the other doesn't, that doesn't affect my proof.

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2: And no. At no time during this discussion did I EVER even IMPLY "Only Arlo and other Christians are on the correct path, all others will boil in Hell."


1) Arlo says there's only one right way, and all other ways are wrong.

2) Arlo is a Christian.

3) Therefore, Arlo believes that Christianity is the only right way, and all other ways are wrong.

Any of these statements false?

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I challenged your premise that all adherants of all faiths, religions and philosophies are not going to hell so Christians are bad people for claiming otherwise. I said it was a flawed premise based on nothing but opinion. You, in return, have offered nothing but more opinion and claimed such opinion was flawless logic.


This was not my premise.  My premise was and is that any single religion (including Christianity) is not the only correct path.  There are many correct paths.  Nowhere did I say that *all* philosohies were correct.  Furthermore, my scenario does *not* prove that all philosophies are correct, nor was it intended to.  My scenario is a proof by contradiction, which disproves your hypothesis (that there is only one right way), and thereby proves the opposite (that there is *not* only one right way).

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3: My claim was that there is indeed only one path and it's up to the individual to ascertain what that path is. I also said that my claim is no less a matter of opinion than yours.


My proof is logical and complete, until you can demonstrate otherwise.  You have not done so yet.

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« Reply #211 on: August 04, 2004, 07:56:42 PM »
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I asked you before, and I'm going to ask you again.  In what way do these differences break the logic and conclusion of my proof?  If the difference is that one prohibits apple pie and the other doesn't, that doesn't affect my proof.


No. It specifically shows that each faith's GOAL is even different, not to mention it's philosophy of the soul and of the afterlife.

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Originally posted by phookat

1) Arlo says there's only one right way, and all other ways are wrong.

2) Arlo is a Christian.

3) Therefore, Arlo believes that Christianity is the only right way, and all other ways are wrong.

Any of these statements false?


A classic example of the strawman argument. Let me help you.

1) Phookat says Christians are bad for believing that their way is THE way to salvation (which raises the obvious question: If they didn't think this, why would they be Christians?) and that such prejudices are unacceptable.

2) Arlo says, of COURSE they feel this way as do most religions in the world. There is a right and wrong choice and it's up to the individual to make it.

3) Phookat says he believes that all religions, faiths, philosophies and cults are equally valid and that there are multiple paths that lead to salvation or eternal reward and they are manifestations from the same source.

4) Arlo says that's preposterous since the differences between  the religions, faiths, philosophies and cults conflict with their being inspired by anything short of a diety with a severe case of multiple personality disorder.

5) Phookat says space aliens would have a hard time understanding Christianity.

6) Arlo says he's having a hard time understanding Phookat.

7) Phookat says that's because he's using flawless logic.

8) Arlo says ... riiiiiight.

9) Phookat says Hinduism and Christianity are the same thing.

10) Arlo posts examples proving otherwise.

11) Phookat says "Eh, close enough" and persists in the claim and asks why no proof was offered to counter the claim.

12) Arlo says he's having a hard time taking Phookat seriously now.

13) Phookat says Arlo is ignoring his flawless logic.

14) Arlo says "What logic?!"

15) Phookat says he's now successfully disproven Arlo's claim that only Christians will be spared from burning in oil.

16) Arlo shakes his head in amazement at Phookat's "flawless logic."

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This was not my premise.  My premise was and is that any single religion (including Christianity) is not the only correct path.  There are many correct paths.  Nowhere did I say that *all* philosohies were correct.  Furthermore, my scenario does *not* prove that all philosophies are correct, nor was it intended to.  My scenario is a proof by contradiction, which disproves your hypothesis (that there is only one right way), and thereby proves the opposite (that there is *not* only one right way).


Which you've yet to prove (not that I asked you to prove it) and to which I offered an equally valid opinion. The only "hypothesis" I offered was that there is indeed one correct choice which you've not disproven by any method whatsoever including your claimed "proof by contradiction." Where's the contradiction other than your repeating that you believe differently than I do? You've proven nothing to me. I doubt you've proven anything to anyone else but yourself here.

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My proof is logical and complete, until you can demonstrate otherwise.  You have not done so yet.


Your opinion of yourself in this matter is a bit overrated. But, there too, you have the freedom to believe and express.

Now ... if you're just going to keep repeating how perfectly you've proven your point and how well you've disproven MY "hypothesis" I think I'll do the dust kicking thang like Brother demaw suggested. Peace! :D :aok
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Offline AWMac

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« Reply #212 on: August 04, 2004, 09:01:39 PM »
Heh what a thread....on a BBS of a game where everyone pretends to kill each other.

You're all Gay!

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« Reply #213 on: August 04, 2004, 10:51:07 PM »
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No. It specifically shows that each faith's GOAL is even different, not to mention it's philosophy of the soul and of the afterlife.


OK.  Thank you for finally being specific and concise and answering the question directly.  Please try to continue to do so.

Let me make sure I am inderstanding your statement.  If the religions' goals and philosophies of the soul etc are different enough to contradict each other, then they can't both be right at the same time.  Is that what you are getting at?

Next question.  It appears to me that neither of these issues you raise helps the external observer choose between religions, using reasoning.  Choosing is still a matter of pure faith.  Is this correct?

What I am trying to do is include in the scenario all the things besides pure faith by which an external observer can make a choice between two religions.

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A classic example of the strawman argument. Let me help you.


Let me make sure both of us understand our positions.  Please just answer with agreed or disagreed in both cases.

My position is that there is not only one correct path.

Your position is that there can only be one correct path.